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Steve - RS125
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Tank Slapper - Please enlighten me as to what it is......... Reply with quote

Now call me silly / stupid or whatever one chooses to call me, but what is a tank slapper?

Now I am guessing its when I have bounced ones crown jewels of the tank going over a bump, braking excessivley hard into a corner and have ended up talking like joe pescualy for the next 2 weeks?

Please enlighten me as to what it is.

Thanks.

P.s - 2 weeks to my DAS test and then a further 1 hour until my 600cc comes from under the dust sheets! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some info that took me about 5 seconds to find on a search engine!
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Re: Tank Slapper - Please enlighten me as to what it is..... Reply with quote

Steve - RS125 wrote:
Now call me silly / stupid or whatever one chooses to call me, but what is a tank slapper?

Now I am guessing its when I have bounced ones crown jewels of the tank going over a bump, braking excessivley hard into a corner and have ended up talking like joe pescualy for the next 2 weeks?

Please enlighten me as to what it is.

Thanks.

P.s - 2 weeks to my DAS test and then a further 1 hour until my 600cc comes from under the dust sheets! Twisted Evil


I been looking at the same question, seen some freaky vids, do a forum search and there are a few topics on what they are, how they happen and what to do with them.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers folks!! Thumbs Up

Now I know what they are I can say its never happend to me as yet!

Once again, cheers. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

High speed tank slappers are really scary! my past experience with them shows that i just held on and hoped for the best, i didn't really have enough wits about me to do anything but.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get a proper tank slapper you will crash more often than not, a shake of the bars is'nt really a slapper.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
If you get a proper tank slapper you will crash more often than not, a shake of the bars is'nt really a slapper.


Definitely agree there, i've had two or three in my time and all you can do is ride them out and pray. I was lucky, i had enough room to carry on with the trajectory i was forced into taking until it calmed down enough to stop and chain smoke for half an hour!

Got a damper now, so hopefully will never experience another one again
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
If you get a proper tank slapper you will crash more often than not, a shake of the bars is'nt really a slapper.

Not the guy who wrote the stuff in Tobys' link. He has had two and survived them both. He must be a riding god!
He even suggests the guy crashing at what looks like Bray Hill crashed because he "fought" a tank slapper. Nothing whats so ever to do with going 160 mph on a bumpy surface with a touch of bad luck thrown in! Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed the rider on the Norton at the TT definitely looked liked a passenger to the scene of the accident to me. Suggesting that he fell off because he fought the slapper is proposterous!
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has mistaken a wobble as a tankslapper. Laughing Thumbs Up a tank slapper has the potential to break your thumbs as the bars will go from lock to lock.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
He has mistaken a wobble as a tankslapper. Laughing Thumbs Up a tank slapper has the potential to break your thumbs as the bars will go from lock to lock.


A tank slapper is not defined by the bars going lock to lock, it when the bike has a pendulum effect around the headstock, which you could mistake for a wobble, if it cancels itself out soon enough.
Yeah they can break thumbs, but so could a serious wobble! Rolling Eyes Wink .
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
If you get a proper tank slapper you will crash more often than not, a shake of the bars is'nt really a slapper.


Ive had a few proper tank slappers in my life. And i mean PROPER ones, lock to lock over and over again, bike seemed to be swinging all over the place almost rotating? Confused , so violently that my arse was forced out of my seat, my feet off the pegs and how i stayed on god only knows.

Like has been said - i think if you try to fight them you'll bin it. Each time i had them i just went with the flow and tried to stay calm. I never accelerated, never braked, never thought it, i just eased off the throttle and waited for it to stop.

Fucking scary though! Shocked
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

getyerkneedown wrote:
gsxrmick wrote:
If you get a proper tank slapper you will crash more often than not, a shake of the bars is'nt really a slapper.


Ive had a few proper tank slappers in my life. And i mean PROPER ones, lock to lock over and over again, bike seemed to be swinging all over the place almost rotating? Confused , so violently that my arse was forced out of my seat, my feet off the pegs and how i stayed on god only knows.

Like has been said - i think if you try to fight them you'll bin it. Each time i had them i just went with the flow and tried to stay calm. I never accelerated, never braked, never thought it, i just eased off the throttle and waited for it to stop.

Fucking scary though! Shocked


even scarier when its pushed the pistons back in the front calipers and you have no brakes for a few agonising seconds afterwards Shocked
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark wrote:
even scarier when its pushed the pistons back in the front calipers and you have no brakes for a few agonising seconds afterwards Shocked


Yeah - i can imagine bud. Fuck that for a game of soilders!

I have one of those moments - im gonna pack in biknig and stick to a car! Laughing Crying or Very sad Shocked
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having the bike set up wrong will give you some horrible tank slappers….

My TZR 125 (big bore) was mental, the bars were loose as anything and the suspension really needed looking at, not so much power slappers but it did wobble a lot.
The VFR is very hard to get a wobble with as the bike is setup almost perfectly, the Ninja however has scared me off a slip road to a motorway.
I must say though, in my experience you need to be really ragging a bike to get a wobble out of a corner, and if you get slappers from road surfaces, you should’ve known better.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

getyerkneedown wrote:
Dark wrote:
even scarier when its pushed the pistons back in the front calipers and you have no brakes for a few agonising seconds afterwards Shocked


Yeah - i can imagine bud. Fuck that for a game of soilders!

I have one of those moments - im gonna pack in biknig and stick to a car! Laughing Crying or Very sad Shocked


No way, you can't do that!!

I had one on my old KR1S at about 110mph that was so violent that both wheels left the floor, it bruised both of my inner thighs due to the ferocious way the whole thing slammed from side to side, it shattered the front mudguard into a hundred bits somehow and i didn't make the next corner due to having no brakes and had to take to a very scary run through a narrow gap in a hedge into a field at 60mph

Still biking though, but now i have a steering damper Wink
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.brucester.net/ftp/movies/tankslapper.wmv

That looks scary to say the least at full speed.

The guy with the yellow flag in the white coat thing was destined to get knocked down by the bike until the curb stopped the bike going in his direction lol

(apologies if the link doesnt work)
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slickfish wrote:
gsxrmick wrote:
He has mistaken a wobble as a tankslapper. Laughing Thumbs Up a tank slapper has the potential to break your thumbs as the bars will go from lock to lock.


A tank slapper is not defined by the bars going lock to lock, it when the bike has a pendulum effect around the headstock, which you could mistake for a wobble, if it cancels itself out soon enough.
Yeah they can break thumbs, but so could a serious wobble! Rolling Eyes Wink .


No it isn't. The rear stays planted, it's the front wheel that oscillates like a wonky trolley wheel in a tank slapper. The rear wheel sliding would be fishtailing.

A propper high speed tank slapper does have the potential to shatter your wirsts.

The main advice i've had is to nail the throttle, and that brings you out of it.

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PostPosted: 19:15 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

that site is REALLY good for other info :O found this section really helpful and interesting

https://www.joe250.com/motorcycles/ride/firstbike.htm
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made a thread a few weeks ago about my encounter

168mph and bike went into a tank slapper after hitting drainage lines.

gave me serious bruising in my arms from trying my best to stop it, lasted around 15 seconds.

worst thing thats ever happened to me in 12 years of riding Sad
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Re: Tank Slapper - Please enlighten me as to what it is..... Reply with quote

Steve - RS125 wrote:
Now call me silly / stupid or whatever one chooses to call me, but what is a tank slapper?


It's when I've forgotten to zip up and the old chap pops out at 75mph.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to get a majour tank slapper on a rs 125, I saw a rs 125 due to the fact that they rarely reach speeds of 100 mph..

Also is there a main cause of a tank slapper? or is it just a thing that somtimes happens when your riding to fast.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought it was when you pick up lady's of the night with a single seat hump on the bike.... nowhere else for them to sit, hey presto... one tankslapper. (sorry)
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can happen to an RS and at 100mph, you're f*cked if you get one on an rs125 because you can't power out of it.

It happens because the front tyre hits something and becomes destabilised to one side, and it starts going left to right and back again. If you brake, more weight gets loaded onto the front and it'll normally get worse. I haven't had one, and to be honest the thought of having one at 95mph on a 125 puts me off using the full potential of my bike.

I think i'm just worried because the mito comes with a damper, but my planet doesn't...

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PostPosted: 22:37 - 20 Jun 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Tank slapper is normally where the forks whack between the lock stops at the natural resonant frequency, so it keeps doing it. Quite capable of throwing you off the bike and very different from a bit of a wobble of a quick slap lock to lock.

No reason that something with the performance of an RS125 wouldn't manage a tank slapper. KH250 (late 70s design of 2 stroke 250) would be about the same performance and they would happily go into a tank slapper.

Normal recommended way out of it is to accelerate out of it. Braking would have much the same effect (in that if would affect the resonance), except that it would transfer weight onto the rather wayward front. Not what you really want to do.

All the best

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