Vegetarianism

[mrtEE]

ladies ladies, lets get back on topic. Bonny assured us he would post a picture of the aforementioned herbivore which showed off her large breasts?

Get with the program

[Visitor Q]

If you lot see the amount of karma i got, youd see alot of people feel the same, they just dont want to get burnt in this thread.

There are alot of racists in england, but few go to BNP meetings etc.

Anyway, like i say miracle fishs posts was very good

I would say though i havent 'forced' my opinion on you, i would just like vegetarians to enter into a proper debate for once, with someone who can be arsed to shout bullshit at them.

About the only excuse i'll accept is dont like the taste (but only if they arent arseholes about it touching them/there food/checking its not in icecream etc) or the fluffy animal rights ones (again if only not upset with it touching them, there food, checking for tiny quantities of meat based product, then wearing lots of leather)

Also agriculture is REALLY not better for the environment then pasture.
Not even for the cuddly animals you lot care so much about like foxes and rabbits

Rabbits are only killed in pastures when theres too great a risk the flock/herd might break there legs in rabbit holes. Foxes are left to it unless raising chickens.

Agriculture... everything dies. Complete blank canvas.

Like i say, im not forcing my view on anyone (although you are quite obviously noticing how staunchly i feel about this), i would just like some of these 'reasons' to radically change both your lifestyle, diet and perceptions of what normal people /should/ eat to be looked at abit further then the gillian mckeith poo book.
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[finpos]

BR, this surely is one shedload of misplaced anger stemming from one girl not wanting to sleep with you.

I recommend:
1. Chill out.
2, Eat whatever you like.
3. Accept that if you are going to be an arrogant, willful ignoramus then nobody is going to want to maintain a debate with you about anything at all. A debate is an interesting exchange of views, and you're just not putting the effort in from your side. All you are offering is a great deal of negativity based on a stereotype.

The first step to understanding why people would choose not to [eat meat]/[ride a bike]/[shag you]/[do whatever] is to realise that not everybody has the same motivation and priorities as you do. Once you do that, you can move forward. The problem here is that you don't want to understand.

finpos.

[Hotdog]

The worst thing about this thread for me, isn't the blatant sexism displayed by bonny_Ricardo, it’s his entirely mistaken belief that he is some kind of intellectual and not just the bigoted mistaken fool that he so clearly is.

“Couldnt find a good photo, but all im gonna say is size 6/8 waist, tall, and about 36DD's And not a bad face (when shes not pulling some stupid pose)”

“And also, most veggie girls are very attractive, as skinny runts”

“My two passions are bikes and biology. I happen to know a fair bit about both”

Clearly you don’t.

bonny FYI – Intellectuals can spell anaemic....

However, I hope she gets to read this thread, in fact, I hope any woman that you try to hook up with get to read this thread.

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In answer to your much lauded - "Why vegetarians should be force fed with lard"

I present to you:

"Why bonny_ricardo is a conceited fool who overrates his miniscule intelligence"


I became a vegetarian because it is a better nutritional diet.

"The tiniest amount of enquiry into the subject quickly reveals that meat is exceptionally nutritious" – conjecture, unsubstantiated.

“Whereas a meat eater is in little danger of missing out on these nutrients, a vegetarian has to be very careful to eat the right foods in order to get enough of them"

I’d suggest that whether someone eats meat or not, it’s still up to the individual to make sure that they have a balanced diet. Most meat eaters in the industrialised nations show very obvious signs of not having a balanced diet.


Vegetarians are healthier because the average vegetarian is lighter than the average meat eater in Britain.

Obesity is a serious health problem.

People who have the correct BMI are healthier than those who are obese.

This argument has nothing to do with vegetarianism and can’t be sustained in either direction.

I became a vegetarian because I was told about what happens to meat in the gut. It stays there for ages and rots, getting infected with bacteria.

More misdirection.

Red meat is unhealthy and the human stomach is not able to digest it properly during it’s progress through the body.

Anyone who doubts this google for ‘red meat’ and ‘cancer’.

I became a vegetarian because I care about what I put into my body. I don’t want to put chemicals in there, nor anything dead. Plants are natural, so they can’t be harmful.

“Plants are natural, so they can’t be harmful”

Obviously a ridiculous claim and one that only the most stupid of vegetarians would make.

Having said that the list of anti-oxidants, colourings and preservatives added to red meat are nothing compared to the hormones, antibiotics and toxins released into the bloodstream at the time of death.

I became a vegetarian, because I want to live in a more natural way.

I can see why that would be appealing.

After all pumping an animal that you can’t digest full of drugs, killing it, adding colourings and preservatives (did you know beef is actually grey if you don’t dye it red ?) and then mechanically separating the ‘meat’ from the bone and further processing it before finally…days later….eating it….isn’t very natural is it ?

Regardless, if someone wants to believe this and eat what they choose to, why shouldn’t they ?

After all you chose what you eat, even if animals have to die for you to have that choice.

I became a vegetarian, because stock farming is not economically viable. We could feed the Third World if everyone became a vegetarian.

Too complicated a subject to be summed up in a few words by a biased idiot.

Obviously there is a lot of food wasted worldwide, even so, most cattle is fed high quality grain and it takes many times the cattle’s weight of grain to produce meat.

ie. more than 10 tons of grain during the animal’s life to make 1 ton of meat – please correct me if this figure is incorrect.

Once again, if someone chooses to believe this statement, why shouldn’t they ?

Clearly you are choosing what you want to believe.

I’m not a vegetarian, but in my honest observations I’ve seen far more pushy meat eaters than I have pushy vegetarians.

Look at the attitude of people commenting on this thread !

I became a vegetarian because I don’t want to finance death. I don’t mind wearing a woollen jumper, because they don’t kill the sheep to get the wool.

This isn’t an attack on meat eaters – why pretend it is ?

Personally, I choose not to eat (much) red meat because of the various health issues.

I wear leather because, although the animal has died, there is no advantage to not using the skin. In fact it’s environmentally friendly and a renewable resource (sorry to all the vegetarians out there).

I became a vegetarian because I think that farming animals is cruel. Farmers do not care about the welfare of their animals.

I live in the rural southwest, anyone you ask is going to have a different opinion on this one.

Personally, I’ve seen plenty that suggests farmer’s care about profit, not animals.

Before BSE became common knowledge it was well known amongst farmers.

The cure….as soon as the car started losing control of it’s limbs, kill it and sell it for beef.

Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

I became a vegetarian because crop farming is more efficient than stock farming. 100 units of food energy fed to an animal become only 10 units of meat, so meat production is inefficient.

“That a well-fed middle-class town-dwelling person should be so concerned about the efficiency of farming is questionable. There are many inefficient things in the world. Dancing is a waste of energy. Most males of most species never breed, so malehood in general is inefficient”

FFS…..

Hardly an intelligent argument, is it ?

I don't want to eat anything that I wouldn't be prepared to kill myself.

Is there any opinion a vegetarian can hold that isn’t going to be mindlessly attacked ?

I became a vegetarian because we don’t need meat.

Let’s be honest here, we don’t need red meat.

Whether we need meat at all is a moot point.

If you are going to argue that human’s evolved to the point where they were able to hunt and provide meat (and therefore alter their own diet) then maybe civilisation has enabled us to evolve (nearly) to the point where we can understand our own dietary needs and make educated choices ?

I became a vegetarian because that’s the way society is going. Thousands of people every minute are becoming vegetarians.

Oh really, has anyone ever heard a vegetarian say this ?

If anything it’s meat eaters who are going with the ‘masses’.

I became a vegetarian, because I care about biodiversity.

How many people actually read this far into this absolutely pathetic diatribe ?

Again, has anyone ever heard a vegetarian say this ?

I became a vegetarian because it is the future.

Again, has anyone ever heard a vegetarian say this ?

And if so, has anyone ever heard a vegetarian trying to use this as an argument to dissuade a meat eater ?

I became a veggie simply because I don’t like meat.

Again, has anyone ever heard a vegetarian say this ?

And if so, why shouldn’t be allowed this choice ?

And if so, has anyone ever heard a vegetarian trying to use this as an argument to dissuade a meat eater ?

AT LAST - THE REAL REASON PEOPLE BECOME VEGETARIAN

Enough is enough ok ?

Jeez, what a crock of shit.

bonny, if you are prepared to read that complete load of biased bullshit and accept it as fact, then, clearly, that is because it suits you to do so (and presumably you aren't intelligent enough to see how flawed it is).

Hotdog.

ps. do I sound like I'm a vegetarian ??
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[mrtEE]

post teh titty pics ????

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[Hotdog]

bonny - logical reasoned debate aside (not that you actually seem to understand what it is).

It is quite obvious to everyone exactly what you think a 'piece of meat' is.

Hotdog.
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[mrtEE]

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lol.

[finpos]

Christ on a bike.

BR, since we have brushed upon logical arguement in this thread, you should not take this as ad hominem:

1. You're simply not funny. Don't try to use humour to get your point across.
2. You're nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
3. You are, however, almost totally incoherent.

If I were you, I'd lay off the gear a while.

finpos.

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[chrisw]

There are some essays in here arn't there!

Why whine about what you may think is right or wrong for someone else to eat, as, lets be honest, its no business of anyone else other than the person eating it (unless it is made an issue for others, which is wrong).

There are far more pressing issues relating to food and its production than what one person (or a small minority) choose to eat.

Perhaps you should put more energy into talking about the problems with 'food miles', the use of 'chemicals' (e.g pesticides, fungisides and fertilisers on plants), the explotation of immigrant workers, the effects of the major super markets on the supply chain, the problems caused by subsidised farming and its effects on the '3rd world' and all the other problems which affect EVERYONE.

(Although I'm sure some of those are 'hyped' by the anti-worldtrade brigade).

It just seems like such a non-debate. Its like arguing over what your favourite colour is!

[veeeffarr]

This doesn't seem like a problem with vegetarians, rather it seems either a) You get pissed off far too easily or b) You hang around with some right moaning bastards.

Either, a) Chill out or b) Make some new friends.

[finpos]

I've developed that notion of you from reading this one thread. Admittedly a small sample of your angry and confused ramblings, but trying to make sense of your posts is tiring.

No, you're not funny. The fact you seek peer validation from a bunch of mongs* on a website, now that's funny.

finpos.

*Obviously, I don't think everybody who recommends your posts is a mong, but you get the general idea. If not, ask a psycology student.

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[Mary Jane]

some people just don't like the taste/texture of meat.

I wouldn't call myself a vegetarian, but I eat meat very rarely. When I do it's generally chicken or turkey. Sometimes ham, but that would just be sliced on a sammich. I have had the occasional burger, but usually I feel ill after eating one.

I call my 7 year old son "my little vegetarian" becuase he would always spit out anything that had any sort of meat in it (except chicken nuggets, but those hardly count as meat). I finally learned to just not put meat in what I made him. He's a weird little thing: he loves broccoli and will eat that before eating anything else on his plate, and his favorite meal is a pickle and cheese sandwich.

As for all vegetarians being girls or trying to impress one, my brother is one and so is my finace. He doesn't have to impress me with it, since I'm not veg myself... but I do admire his convictions (and no, he doesn't try to force it on me as well).

[Visitor Q]

Ok, maybe i have jumped the gun a tad.

I do apologise.

But i guess its almost like the publics perception of bikes, they think we are ALL nutters.

Thats because they look through us normally, unless we are doing something hooliganish.

Perhaps i just have never come across people who have sane rationale on the subject because i usually dont eat with people, and so its only the uptight bunched knicker types i do meet and link to the vegetarian stereotype.

Whereas i suppose like all demographics there are arseholes and then theres the norm.

I wont pretend to understand or agree with the logic (or science for that matter), but the fact a fair few people on here took the time to rationally explain their reactions and feelings on it has changed my broad opinion on the matter.

I think its time for thread death

Consider my 'bigoted mistaken fool' attitude lessened slightly.

As i say, i cant say i agree with it, but a few of you -miracle fish especially- have changed my opinion.

Can i just say i loathe the types who do it as a fashion thing, get uppety about the fact im a murderer, and clearly havent a clue, and leave it at that.




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[killa]

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No worries Ricardo, glad i've upped 'the cause' slightly in your estimation.

I know vegans, and I think they're all nuts.

So it's all relative.

And don't get me started on piscitarians (half-arsed veggies who eat fish) - or people who only eat processed meat, you're not vegetarians you're stupid, whiny fools, who are quite rightly mocked by vegetarians and omnivores alike!

Now I'd quite happily campaign to have them rounded up into stupid camps.


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