Whats the deal with 33bhp

narb · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Karma :

I've heard that if your licence restricts you to 33bhp you can still ride a bike without the restriction, because the police can't check whether or not the bike is actually restricted. Is this true?

phk6 · Nearly there... Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Karma :

best idea is to get the restrictors put in so you get the document, and then rag them out your self (its about a 2 hour job depending wot bike you have and wot tools but no longer then 2 hours to do)
but tis way at least you have the documents if your asked to produce them and have a full power bike.
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V2 · Nearly there... Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Karma :

the deal is if you are involved in an accident the police can request your bike to be sent back to the shop where the restrictor kit was originally fitted, they check that the restriction is still in place and if its not youre in deep shit!

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V2 · Nearly there... Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Karma :

thats just what a shop told me, should have known it was crap, as the rest of the advice they gave me and some of the bikes they have sold have been completely shite! Laughing

lo_iq2000 · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Karma :

just a thought, but your insurance will be invalid as you won't have a license to ride the bike your on, so when the little kid runs out onto the street, you swerve into the parked car, you really think the insurance is going to cough up?
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V2 · Nearly there... Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Karma :

now youve done it! there was a discussion about the insurance in another thread *waits for the unrestricted restricted brigade...*

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kawakid · World Chat Champion Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Karma :

On another forum, there was 1 guy who got 3 points for having a 33bhp license and riding a bike over. Thats the only person i've ever heard of.

However i'm still 33bhp, not long to go.
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narb · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Karma :

I'm abit confused now, what can the police do and what can't they do to check if your bike is 33bhp? Also what would the penalty be?

cagiva gezzer · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Karma :

As said, most police don't know or care.

Mate trashed his full power R6 on a 33bhp ticket. Police decided that loss of organs was enough punishment for riding a full power bike.

You don't need an "official kit."
Insurance is a good faith agrement between you and them.

Ride what you feel comfortable with, but i'd rather come back from a ride feeling like i could of done with some more gogo power than end up wrapped around a tree wishing i hadn't been able to over cook that bend.
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sickpup · Old Timer Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Karma :

kat250 · World Chat Champion Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Karma :

Well i was in court on a thing to do with the 33bhp and the cops at the side of the road were gonna do me for no lisence Laughing

. At the time of court it got thrown out because they didnt ask for it to be inspected Middle Finger

fuck tity to them Laughing

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narb · Borekit Bruiser Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Karma :

edd · Nearly there... Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Karma :

It would be a very difficult thing for the police to prove. You could contest dyno accuracy, potential interference with the bike or whatever. My local big bike dealer (whites in darlington) told me when I was looking at taking my test that FI international kits were a legal requirement and the restriction certificate was proof. All of the above is bollocks. You dont need to have a restrictor kit fitted or any documentation. The situation where it matters is if you are in a seriouis accident. However, for a serious accident to occur your bike must have hit something pretty hard. In the unlikely event that the bike did still work and could still be dynoed after a big smash it doesnt exactly take a lot of effort to stop a bike working, use your imagination, snip the wires going to your pickup coil maybe.
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sickpup · Old Timer Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Karma :

edd · Nearly there... Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Karma :

Fair enough, I live in County Durham where admittedly out of town there are pretty much no police. Ive been pulled a lot of times in town for all sorts, some me being a tosser, most the police being tossers (like I once came back to my bike in a privately owned car park 2 coppers standing there and they gave me a producer for having a cracked fairing). Ive never had much said about the restriction. One copper told me that it was illegal to ride a 750 on a restricted licence as you could only ride up to a 400?!?! I argued with him and said the bike was "restricted" and thats what the law was and he gave in. Apparently the maximum penalty for riding a de-restricted bike on a restricted licence is a £1000 fine and 6 points, this is fairly harsh but its the maximum. I see it as risk = probability * consequence in this case the probability (at least for me) is low, and the consequence is quite high, so the risk is medium/low. For the benefits of the extra power I feel willing to take that risk. Its up to you really, assess your own situation.
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V2 · Nearly there... Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Karma :

looks like the bike shops and most of the coppers dont know what the law actually is then!, i remember now the same bike shop also told me that they get held responsible if you get caught riding without a restriction as they fitted it, this meant that when the time came they wouldnt derestrict it because the <=25kw was still on the license and the dvla wouldnt reissue a liscence to get it removed as it was such a small thing!

Irezumi aka Reuben · Carrot Top Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Karma :

I think the 33bhp rule is quite a good idea, in my case at least. I'm on a relatively slow GPZ500 but still manage to get myself going into corners too fast for my skill level on odd occasions.

I also just pin the bike when on the motorway, normally with a bit of wind this is around 95mph, would be around 120 with no restriction, which I would do, however this could also mean an instant ban if seen to be doing so.

33bhp is a good idea if your young, at least for a few months I'd say.

Though after about 6 months I'm now considering removing mine.
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edd · Nearly there... Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Karma :

I think a better system would be more progressive. Say you need at least 3 months on a 125 on L plates, take your test and then have 3 monthly restriction limits, like 25bhp for the first 3, 33 for the second 3 45bhp for the next 3 and unlimited after a year. Direct access shouldnt be a double standard, the highest death and casualty rates are among the born again bikers. Yet although at 19 I am allegedly an adult, and I have done between 20 and 30,000 miles on bikes I am supposedly less experienced than someone who decided they wanted a bike on the monday, did an intensive DAS course and rode out with a litre bike on the saturday. If direct access is going to be available it should be available to everyone. A 2 year restriction is too long, it isnt representative of the difference between DAS and the A2 licence.
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