Shifting

P_J · Nearly there... Joined: 24 Nov 2002 Karma :

I was in america a few years back, that was my first taste of open air speed. I was on a 600cc quad bike on dusty North Carolina back roads. I was given a few tips on riding / driving this quad and then i was on my own. i remember doing approximatly 70 - 80 MPH on this quad. Looking back, this was probably quite stupid as i didnt have a lid on or any protective clothing... well, i did have shades on to stop the gravel and dust going in my eyes.

I was told, "...reach high revs... clutch...change gear..." i found out by accident that you can change up, and down with no clutch at all. i thought this was really good. "wohoo, look at me, i can change gear with no clutch..."

I have also found out that i can do the same on my NSR.

Changing up at high revs seems to be a bonus, it seems quicker and smoother than, power > power off > clutch > change > Power...

What damage am i doing to my NSR by not using my clutch. I dont do it all the time, its mainly on main roads at high speed.
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WTDAFK · Nova Slayer Joined: 14 Dec 2002 Karma :

i sumtimes change up the gears in high revs without the clutch with no problems but avoid doin it down the gears as its a bit clunky, ive been told it doesent do any damage aslong as ya got ur gear oil may even do it sum good now an again to clean it out but dont quote me on it, i dont reccomend doin it all the time

P_J · Nearly there... Joined: 24 Nov 2002 Karma :

what kinda damage could white bros in Darlington caused to my bike by giving it back to me after the 1st service with no gear oil in at all. level was ok when i gave them it, they dropped the oil and never filled it up again.
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WTDAFK · Nova Slayer Joined: 14 Dec 2002 Karma :

not sure mate could do ur clutch plates a bit of damage if its been riden much im not to up on mecanics so i cant really help much the thing wiv 2 strokes is u wait 4 summin to break b4 u know wots wrong then fix it

McJamweasel · BCF Junkie Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Karma :

I'm assuming that when you change up you're not just staying on the throttle and forcing it into gear. If you are then things will break. Soon.

The best way to do it is put very slight pressure on the lever, then back off the throttle and it should snick into gear on its own. Then back on the throttle.

It's not good to go clutchless on down shifts or in the lower gears.

It done correctly clutchless shifts won't do any harm at all.
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P_J · Nearly there... Joined: 24 Nov 2002 Karma :

up-shifting is done power > power off > shift > power

if i shift without the clutch, i dont touch it at all, not, just use a little.

down shifting, not as regular, and to be honest, by accident most of the time. get to V low revs b4 shifting. have tried shifting up and down when the RPM can not have been right and it hasnt done anything, except remind me that i shouldnt really be doing it without the clutch. After all, thats what its there for.
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podgester · Mister Cumshot Joined: 15 May 2002 Karma :

i'm geussing it shouldn't do not much damage if you have plenty of gearbox oil, i never use to use the clutch on my motox bike but i always made sure i was in a power band before shifting up, shifting down i never use the clutch either unless i was coming to a complete stop and never had a problem with my gearbox
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Hex · Party Boy Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Dont do a clutchless shift from 1st to 2nd (the gap if you will is a bit big since it has to go through neutral) and if done correctly you shouldn't be doing that much damage at all. So dont worry about that.

Do not however go down through the box without the clutch. Its not that it will do any more damage than going up, its the fact you run a large risk of locking the back wheel if you do it while carrying to much speed etc.

Up = fine, down = bad (unless your litteraly at walking speed then it just drops down anyway)

Watch how you go on them roads up home mate, you know they aint used to seeing bikes up that way. Wink

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Crazy Manx Man · The Fly Swatter Joined: 26 Oct 2002 Karma :

err...shouldn't do any damage.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

There was quite an argument about this a long time ago on here.

My personal opinion is that if done correctly it should do less damage to the gearbox... and it won't do any damage to the clutch mechanism as it is 'clutchless'.

Using the clutch you are forcing the gears to mesh together, while doing it clutchless they are going together when they want to.
Trying to force clutchless shifts aint going to be good though Neutral

As you get used to it you should be able to go up and down the gearbox no probs, though most people stick with upshifting.

PsychoHippy · Jammy Git Joined: 02 Jul 2002 Karma :

I nearly always cluchless shift up the gears, but I never do it going down because I was told by a mechanic that it's a great way to kill a gearbox (he may not have been right, but better safe than sorry Confused

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