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zaknafien




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PostPosted: 22:32 - 05 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
As I've said before I'll start using public transport when it does the following,

1, It comes when I want it to
2, It picks me up from my front door
3, It drops me off where I want
4, I get my own private cubicle and don't come into contact with anyone else.
5, It operates 24/7

As before it's still only a maybe.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 05 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
froggeh wrote:
We need a good public transprt infrastructure... Rail being No.1 prority (please get rid of most HGV's for a start)


Why not convert the railways to roads? It would greatly increase their capacity.

Seriously.

Only place railways make real sense is going into central London. Fuel consumption per passenger mile is not really much better than cars. Hideously expensive to run.

Freight wise they make sense in limited situations. For consumer items the costs of loading things 3 times for a journey rather than once (once onto a lorry, then again to the train, then again to a lorry for the last bit of the journey) makes them far slower.

Makes sense where you have a large production facility a limited destinations. Pretty much coal to power stations, and not many coal mines these days.

froggeh wrote:
We should be pushing the use of motorcycles as a cheaper/greener and less congestion-causing form of transport, NOT thinking about removing free parking privilages (whoever came up with that, please throw yourself off the nearest motorway bridge under an Asda lorry).


Bikes are better at congestion, but not that much better. In free flowing traffic they take up almost the same road space (as 90% of it is the gap between vehicles). But bikes are certainly not greener.

All the best

Keith
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froggeh
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 06 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:

Why not convert the railways to roads? It would greatly increase their capacity.

Seriously.

Only place railways make real sense is going into central London. Fuel consumption per passenger mile is not really much better than cars. Hideously expensive to run.

Freight wise they make sense in limited situations. For consumer items the costs of loading things 3 times for a journey rather than once (once onto a lorry, then again to the train, then again to a lorry for the last bit of the journey) makes them far slower.

Makes sense where you have a large production facility a limited destinations. Pretty much coal to power stations, and not many coal mines these days.

Railways are far safer. Lorries are prime culprits at dumping diesel. They cause massive congestion, they cause massive damage to roads.
Buld more tracks/ recommision some of the dissused ones... Send freight to cities, then onwards to local destinations in lorries/vans

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Bikes are better at congestion, but not that much better. In free flowing traffic they take up almost the same road space (as 90% of it is the gap between vehicles). But bikes are certainly not greener.

Keith


If you restricted a motorway to bikes, there would be room for at least 2-4 times the number. Most cars in peak traffic have a single occupant.

On average the motorcycle traffic uses far less fuel than the 4-wheeled traffic.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 06 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
froggeh wrote:
Railways are far safer.


Except you need a road journey just to get to the railway station.

Also remember that railway death rates are made to look quite impressive by excluding "tresspassers & suicides". Pretty much knocks the figures down by 80%. Sure excluding suicides is legitimate, but cannot really see them excluding effectively pedestrians from the road figures.

froggeh wrote:
Lorries are prime culprits at dumping diesel. They cause massive congestion, they cause massive damage to roads.


True, but the main places the dumping of diesel and damage to roads is round towns, where they will still have to be used to deliver goods from the railway depot to their real destination

froggeh wrote:
If you restricted a motorway to bikes, there would be room for at least 2-4 times the number. Most cars in peak traffic have a single occupant.


Pretty much all bikes have a single "occupant". Cars on average have over 1.5 people using them.

froggeh wrote:
On average the motorcycle traffic uses far less fuel than the 4-wheeled traffic.


Not per passenger mile, and exhaust emissions for bikes are pretty hideous compared to cars (and exhaust emissions of CO, oxides of nitrogen and hydrocarbons are fairly independent of fuel consumption).

There are a lot of nice profitable organisations who support public transport, so lots of money to pay for lobby groups. The reality is the public transport is far less efficient than we are led to believe.

All the best

Keith
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