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Zen Dog
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Negative Ebay Feedback? Reply with quote

Right, i bought some MZ forks on ebay, but i'm really not happy with them. They were described as near mint, which they blatantly arent, and despite being charged £15 postage, they were wrapped in a couple of bin bags.

But the guy has 100% positive feedback, so i thought i'd give him a chance to refund me some of the cash, or at least attempt to explain, before i give him a negative rating, so i've sent him the email below.

Does this seem reasonable?

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Hi, I have a problem with this item.

1. They were badly packaged, parts of the forks were exposed when it got to me, and black bags provide no protection from damage to parts as heavy as these. Frankly I expected much better for £15 postage.

2. The auction stated that these were "vgc, near mint", which they certainly arent. Although the chrome is pretty good on the legs, the fork lowers have clearly had a hard life, and are neither "near mint" nor in "vgc". They are, in fact, battered, scratched and dirty.

3. While I knew that the fork lowers were not in perfect condition from the photo, and had expected a small amount of wear and tear, i hadnt expected that both fork seals would be leaking. Nor had i expected that one of the forks wouldnt return AT ALL when compressed. They will need a full strip down, at minimum.

I thought i would give you a chance to respond before i leave negative feedback. Thanks.

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Mooncatt
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wouldnt even leave negative feedback ask for a full refund or contact ebay themselves with what you have just said.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you pay by paypal? If so just open a dispute.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't negative feedback him.

Get a full refund and then neutral feedback him or negative feedback if he takes ages giving a refund.

https://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/tp/inr-snad-process.html
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Simple
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

most items that have 'mint' in the descrition are invariably far from it...


give him chance to correct him self, then complain to ebay,
try and get your money back, chances are ebay will leave you to fishsemms fine to me but I'd ad a time scale to it or he'll spin you a reel too and before you know it 60days has passed and you cant do much about it...
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Well worded, polite and to the point explaining exactly what your problem is.

The only thing missing is what you want him to do about it. Something along the lines of:

"Please contact me to make arrangements for either a partial refund to more accurately reflect the condition of the items or to return the items for which I would expect a full refund."
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Zen Dog
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give him till tomorrow to give me a reasonable response, if he doesnt or i'm not happy with what he offers i'll open a dispute.

And yes, i paid by paypal.

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Zen Dog
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's responded, seems geniunely concerned, will post once i see where its going.

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PostPosted: 20:36 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool keep us updated im interested to see where this will go
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Zen Dog
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, well it went like this :-
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Him - HI REALLY SORRY THAT YOU ARE NOT HAPPY ! WILL DO MY BEST TO PUT IT RIGHT ! THE CHROME WAS THE BEST I HAVE SEEN AND THE PAINT WAS PRETTY GOOD TOO MUST HAVE BEEN DAMAGED IN POST ETC WHAT CAN I DO TO MAKE YOU HAPPY ! POINT TAKEN ABOUT PACKING TO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK I DONT WANT !! WAITING YOUR REPLY. IM QUITE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROBLEM WITH FORKS (HIS PHONE NUMBER) KEV

Me - Hi,
I'd prefer to discuss this by email if thats ok, so that i have a record of what is said. I havent had to leave negative feedback for anyone yet, and you have 100% positive feedback, leading me to believe that this is not your normal level of service.
To get right to the point, I would like either a partial refund to reflect the true condition of the forks, and the state of the packaging, or to return the forks, for which i would expect a full refund. (nice one stinkwheel!)
You can email me directly at [email protected] if thats easier.
Thanks.

Him - THANKS FOR QUICK RESPONSE !!! I FEEL THE FORKS WAS A BARGIN FOR 9.99 BUT £ 5 EACH I AM HAPPY TO RETURN £10 AS A GENUINE TRADER IF YOU FIND THIS OK HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PAY BEST INTENTIONS KEV


Everything else was just sorting it out. A tenner off seemed reasonable (especially as really I only wanted the tubes, which ARE in good condition Very Happy)

Job done.

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MattEMulsion
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorted! Very Happy
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0ddball
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 14 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't look too bad from the pic, about what i'd expect from a pair of forks that have only cost a tenner. The seller described them as near mint so he has to stand by that description. But c'mon, for that price are you really surprised that they are a bit rough?

Sounds like you had a genuine grievance though with the postage. For £15 i'd expect a lot more than a couple of bin bags.
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Zen Dog
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpannerMonkey wrote:
They don't look too bad from the pic, about what i'd expect from a pair of forks that have only cost a tenner. The seller described them as near mint so he has to stand by that description. But c'mon, for that price are you really surprised that they are a bit rough?

Sounds like you had a genuine grievance though with the postage. For £15 i'd expect a lot more than a couple of bin bags.


No, i wasnt surprised that they were a bit rough, but i didnt expect them to be completely bolloxed when they were described as "near mint". And the packaging truly was appalling, i was expecting a cardboard box at the very least. Oh well, turned out ok in the end.

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PostPosted: 12:08 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

so whats your feedback going to look like now for him ?
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like for a tenner you took advantage of his own mistake a bit really. He made the mistake of embellishing the description.

If you'd have paid £50 for 'em (which lots and lots of forks do go for) then I'd understand.

To some extent you have to realise that on ebay you always get what you pay for and the descriptions are often exaggerated. If I bought a pair of forks, I'd rebuild them first anyway, I wouldn't risk them on my bike because of the crap that could be inside them.

I agree that the postage was a little poo, and to be honest does he want to risk a huge 100% positive feedback for the sake of a tenner?

He sounds like a bit of an eejit really, Almost messed up a good reputation for the sake of a cardboard box and a better description.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feedback.....
How about...... POSITIVE. Good aftersales service?
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Zen Dog
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

DEN MONKEY wrote:
so whats your feedback going to look like now for him ?


I gave him positive feedback. Description was "Quick delivery. Item damaged but a swift refund and excellent service. A+"

I think that was fair.

MarJay wrote:
To some extent you have to realise that on ebay you always get what you pay for and the descriptions are often exaggerated. If I bought a pair of forks, I'd rebuild them first anyway, I wouldn't risk them on my bike because of the crap that could be inside them.


So would I Very Happy . I dont mind a bit of a flourish in the description, he was hardly going to say they were shagged, but i expect it to be factually correct. If he'd said, "could probably do with a rebuild", i wouldnt have complained.

Zen Dog

P.S. No-one is paying £50 for used MZ forks! I bought a brand new sports exhaust for £35...
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 15 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

glad things turned out cool for you. you couldve had a right arsehole who said "they were fine when i sent them" kinda thing.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are expecting too much for £10 pair of forks although I can understand where you are coming from with the postage problems. Personally though, if you only wanted the upper forks and they where in good condition then complained about the legs to get a refund on a £10 pair of forks, your taking the piss.
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