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Sadie
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: EDM against the Off Road Vehicles (Registration) Bill Reply with quote
My MP, Anne Main, has put together an EDM against the Off Road Vehicle (Registration) Bill (off her own bat, bless her), but was unsure how to get it out there. I told her that I would ask you reprobates to tackle your MPs to see if they will sign it. Very Happy

The EDM is here and you can contact your local MP here.

Cheers all! Smile
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Dom
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Done. Thumbs Up Smile Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I sent this to my MP. feel free to plagiarize Very Happy

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I draw your attention to the following EDM, which regards the licensing of off-road vehicles. As a law-abiding enthusiast and organizer of off-road events certified by the Institute of Professional Drivers I can see no justifiable reason for imposing licensing restrictions on vehicles used in a law-abiding manner at organized events. It is my contention that such a law will have little or no effect on the unlawful use of minimoto or off-road vehicles used on public land / roads and will impose unnecessary financial restrictions only on the law-abiding whilst failing to address the problem for which the Bill is proposed.

https://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=33015&SESSION=885

Link to the Bill:

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmbills/021/07021.i-i.html

I ask that you consider my argument and if you agree, support the EDM by adding your signature to the list

Yours sincerely,

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Sadie
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Geri wrote:
I draw your attention to the following EDM, which regards the licensing of off-road vehicles. As a law-abiding enthusiast and organizer of off-road events certified by the Institute of Professional Drivers I can see no justifiable reason for imposing licensing restrictions on vehicles used in a law-abiding manner at organized events. It is my contention that such a law will have little or no effect on the unlawful use of minimoto or off-road vehicles used on public land / roads and will impose unnecessary financial restrictions only on the law-abiding whilst failing to address the problem for which the Bill is proposed.

https://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=33015&SESSION=885

Link to the Bill:

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmbills/021/07021.i-i.html

I ask that you consider my argument and if you agree, support the EDM by adding your signature to the list

Yours sincerely,


Nice one!
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would but my MP is a sychophant scum bag , who voted FOR NHS cuts yet strangely opposes them here,

I wrote him a few times , he came back with a rather nasty I AM MP OF THIS AREA I HAVE A MANDATE , therefore I will ignore you forever.

hes done this a couple times , when I objected to ID cards, and something 'else' but when I live in Dole city he is bound to get into power,
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Dom
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 14 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wrote an essay. Laughing It'll be interesting to see what kind of reply I get (if I get one at all).
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Vin
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 15 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
What a crock of pooh. They don't even properly define an off road bike! Will it be all road racing bikes too?
Thanks to Geri for the basis of my letter to Mr Soames. I look forward to my letter from him. They are really quite nice. Will keep you posted Thumbs Up
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Sadie
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 16 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vin wrote:
Will it be all road racing bikes too?


It will be off road racing bikes too.
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Dom
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 16 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Got the following in the post today:

Quote:
Dear Mr. [Dom],

Thank you for your e-mail.

As a Private Member's Bill, this Bill is highly unlikely to become law without full backing from the Government and the Minister made it clear in the Second Reading Debate that it does not have that support. He agreed with you that registration is not the answer to the problems associated with these vehicles.

I will, of course, keep your views in mind should the Bill progress further.

Yours sincerely,

The Rt. Hon. Michael Mates, MP


Either I'm naive about the situation and nothing's likely to happen or that's a fob-off.
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Sadie
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 16 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi Dom

There is no willingness by the government for this proposed bill to go through. Dr Ladyman (Minister for Transport) has quite categorically made his opposition known.

I think that Michael Mates is just trying to reassure you that you have nothing to worry about, in his opinion, and that the bill will not go through.
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Dom
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 16 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah, great. Thumbs Up Was this EDM thingymabob just a 'better safe than sorry' measure then?
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Sadie
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 16 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dom wrote:
Ah, great. Thumbs Up Was this EDM thingymabob just a 'better safe than sorry' measure then?


I suspect so, although it will also have the effect (hopefully) of MPs educating themselves on the subject.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 16 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I emailed my MP, Martin Salter, but I got a reply from his secretary, some female with a doctorate.

Her email implied that Martin Salter doesn't give a damn, and he wants the bill to go through.

Sounds like him, worthess scruffy band wagon jumper. His website claims he's the UK's hardest working MP! Don't make me laugh!
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Pete.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 16 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sadie wrote:
Dom wrote:
Ah, great. Thumbs Up Was this EDM thingymabob just a 'better safe than sorry' measure then?


I suspect so, although it will also have the effect (hopefully) of MPs educating themselves on the subject.


Your reporting it on here will have the even-better effect of educating people on the ways and means of showing their opposition to proposed laws and making their MP work for them.
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Vin
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 16 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Geri wrote:
Your reporting it on here will have the even-better effect of educating people on the ways and means of showing their opposition to proposed laws and making their MP work for them.

Absolutely I am still chuffed that I got Mr Soames to sign the Diesel Spills EDM. Well I might not have been the only person to write but hey I can pretend.
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Vin
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 18 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well Mr Soames has replied again. He doesn't say he will sign the EDM but he did say the conservatives are opposing the bill.

The basis of his letter was that we need to rigorously enforce the plentiful existing legislation to stop anti social yobbos and their kids riding mini motos and field bikes in public places. Not bring in more legislation that will only serve to penalise the law abiding racing, off road and classic bike enthusiasts.

Lets hope the conservative opposition will be enough!

It struck me as a bit odd that an old school tory like Mr Soames seems to have a more reasonable take on this than our so called socialist government!
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 18 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Old school Tories like Fatty Soames are supposed to instinctively oppose 'Big Government' legislating people's freedoms away, so it would have been surprising if he had responded in any other way! Wink
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Vin
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 18 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
Old school Tories like Fatty Soames are supposed to instinctively oppose 'Big Government' legislating people's freedoms away, so it would have been surprising if he had responded in any other way! Wink

It's Mr Soames to you Laughing
Explain though I am a bit confused. Are you saying he only opposes things like this when he is in opposition. If so I suspect you are probably right.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 04 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmm, not so good news here. My (labour) MP wrote back to me as follows:

Helen Jones MP wrote:
The bill as set out does not require that off road type bikes have number plates, MOTs or be subject to road taxes. The bill simply requires that the government establish a registration scheme and the mechanics and details of how the scheme will operate are yet to be decided.

The offroad registration scheme aims to bring regulation to an unregulated market place and will reduce the trade in illegal/dangerous/stolen bikes.

There has been an exponential growth in sales of cheap, unsafe bikes which has led to an explosion in complaints of anti-social behaviour and an increase in injuries and deaths. The market requires regulation in order to stem the wide accessibility of these vehicles and deliver accountability as each vehicle should be traceable to an owner, the same as any other vehicles. The unregulated market is damaging le legitimate users’ interests and a registration scheme will bring additional consumer protection by making sales of stolen vehicles difficult.

The legitimate motorcycle enthusiast has as much to gain in stamping out illegal and antisocial use of offroad motorcycles as anybody and discussions are taking place with motorcycle interest groups to determine how those legitimately participating in offroad activities can be protected while still achieving the aim of the bill which is about stopping the problem at source.

Concerns have been expressed about the damage a registration scheme could have on motorcycle museums and on the possession of vintage vehicles. Again this is onot the case and detailed discussions with interest groups are taking place to ensure that no damage will be done to these legitimate interests.

Common ground is emerging between supporters of the bill and interest groups and many concerns can be addressed at the committee stage of the bill. I believe a balanced approach can be achieved in order that sound legislation is delivered which halts the levels of anti-social behaviour related to offroad nuisance and addresses the concerns of legitimate motorcycle enthusiasts.


Which basically boils down to her saying that she won't be signing the EDM and in fact is in full support of the proposed bill....I think.....
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 07 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
From my MP Richard Benyon,

Quote:
Dear Mr Wozny

I am I am well aware of the nuisance and potential hazards caused by
mini-motorbikes. Although small, they can travel at up to 30 or even 40
mph and exceptionally noisy when doing so. Not only can they result in
disturbance for individuals and local communities, they can also be
extremely dangerous to the people - quite often children - who are
riding them.



It does seem to me, however, that the approach proposed in Graham
Stringer's Bill is entirely wrong-headed. Rather than introduce a
costly
and complicated new licensing regime, our first response to this
problem
ought to be to better enforce our existing laws. There are already a
number of offences that can be used against people riding
mini-motorbikes in an anti-social and dangerous way in public places.
These laws should be vigorously enforced by central and local
government
working in partnership.



I know that many people are concerned about the potential impact of
this
Bill on both vintage motorbike enthusiasts and motorbike racing. I
completely share these concerns. It is clearly not right that a Bill
aimed at tackling anti-social behaviour, predominantly in urban areas,
should have wide-reaching implications for competitive motorcycling,
employees of race tracks such as Brands Hatch, and those people who
like
to spend their spare time refurbishing classic vehicles.



I can assure you that Owen Paterson MP, the Shadow Roads Minister, who
is leading on this Bill for the Conservatives, shares our concerns on
this Bill. He spoke against the Bill at Second Reading and will
continue
to oppose it. I know that Owen is currently working on amendments to
table to the Bill in Standing Committee, and have made sure that he is
aware of your suggestions. I am hopeful that, with concerted
Conservative opposition, this Bill will not reach the statute books in
its current form.

Yours sincerely
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 07 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
one of the key points that we should make with regards to those of us involved in legitimate off-road activities is that often our bikes are not a single, static machine.

My track bike, an FZR400, has 3 sets of forks, 2 pairs of wheels, 4 engines, 3 frames.. but only exists as a "single bike + box of bits" at any one time.

how would it be proposed that they enforce the registration of this vehicle? would I have to notify them every time I swapped an engine?

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