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PostPosted: 15:01 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: are tinted vsors road legal? Reply with quote

are the tinted mirror finish visors road legal?
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Re: are tinted vsors road legal? Reply with quote

If it's mirror finish, no.

Some very light tint ones are, but most aren't.

However, if you use it sensibly you shouldn't have a problem - especially if you keep a spare with you.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're only legal if they let a certain percent of light through (can't remember the number)

I read in the MCN a few months back that Police are going to be a lot less strict about them, but you still hear about people getting done for having them. I used to have one of the mirror finish inserts, and now i've just got a proper black visor, never had any bother with them, been pulled twice and nothing was said. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note that a mirror finish insert is actually legal - as are the helmets that have dark visors behind the normal visor. It's just having the outside visor with reduced light that is an issue.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

if thats the ase anyone know of any sun galsses that actually fit to your head with the helmet on, ive noticed that the padding gets in the way.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulDJSCOTT wrote:
if thats the ase anyone know of any sun galsses that actually fit to your head with the helmet on, ive noticed that the padding gets in the way.


Which would you rather happen...

Get pulled over by the police for wearing a tinted visor, and get a ticking off (thats pretty much all they can do)?

or

Crash and have a cheap pair of sunglasses take an eye out?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Note that a mirror finish insert is actually legal - as are the helmets that have dark visors behind the normal visor. It's just having the outside visor with reduced light that is an issue.


Woah, the insert was far worse than a proper visor though, the visibility was awful compared to my new black visor. Neutral
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm getting one of these: https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Helm-Visier-Yamaha-YZF-FZR-FJ-XJR-TDM-R1-R6-1000-EYES_W0QQitemZ300140196436QQihZ020QQcategoryZ46168QQcmdZViewItem
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

grassby2001 wrote:

Thats well funny, dont think ill be getting one though!
Think I do need to get something with a tint mind, I cant never see shit in the sun!
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have read somewhere that as long as it let's about 70~75% of light through, it's legal but I know people with full tinted visors never been stopped/done. As long as you carry a spare and don't use the tinted one in bad weather/night light hours you should be fine.

Now I'm thinking............ Twisted Evil https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tinted-Visor-Insert-Tested-ROAD-LEGAL-Black-NEW-VISION_W0QQitemZ280139889652QQihZ018QQcategoryZ46168QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
paulDJSCOTT wrote:
if thats the ase anyone know of any sun galsses that actually fit to your head with the helmet on, ive noticed that the padding gets in the way.


Which would you rather happen...

Get pulled over by the police for wearing a tinted visor, and get a ticking off (thats pretty much all they can do)?

or

Crash and have a cheap pair of sunglasses take an eye out?



point taken lol
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

.... Crash and have a cheap pair of sunglasses take an eye out?


I guess that goes for those of us that wear normal glasses too?
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulDJSCOTT wrote:
if thats the ase anyone know of any sun galsses that actually fit to your head with the helmet on, ive noticed that the padding gets in the way.


How do you think us who have to wear glasses manage.....

As to finding a pair of sun specs take you helmet with you and try them on....
Think you are looking at more std glasses than the sort that seem popular now that grip the side of your head, instead of going behind your ears.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swipe wrote:
MarJay wrote:

.... Crash and have a cheap pair of sunglasses take an eye out?


I guess that goes for those of us that wear normal glasses too?



I leave my glasses off when I'm on the bike. Obviously much safer. Rolling Eyes

Marjay, show us the facts you have where wearing sunglasses on a bike have resulted in the loss of an eye?
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

so your wee pic on the side is how you like to view the world?

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PostPosted: 17:32 - 11 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under current legislation, motorcycle crash helmets must conform to either BS6658-85 or the new European Standard of EC22/05. However, visors are still required to conform to BS4110 XA, YA or ZA and must allow at least 50% light transmission.

These rules apply regardless of whether it is being worn by the rider or pillion, so even though a pillion has no control over the riding of the machine, if they are caught wearing a black visor, then they will be guilty of an off an offence in the same way that the rider will.

Black visors only allow 18% light transmission, and we thought about 18 months ago that that we (BSI technical committee on visors) would get the legislation changed as there was no evidence to support some of the facts being provided by the Government, in fact quite the contrary, there was evidence, and quite a lot of it to support a change in legislation.

Unfortunately,the Transport Minister of the day, decided for the first time ever not to go with the BSI recommendations.

Motorcycle goggles however, are by law allowed to only transmit 18% light, which contradicts current rules, and it is this area we are working on currently to get black visors legislated for in our favour.

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Note that a mirror finish insert is actually legal


They are legal to wear, but illegal for a dealer to sell them as a result of a fatal accident in Northampton about 3 years ago.

It was found as a result of this accident that light transmission was down to about 4%, and colour recognition went right out of the window, and when tested this applied to amber, black, irridium and blue.

A dealer and the manufacturer were taken to court by Trading Standards resulting in fines to the amount of over £30,000 being dished out.

So far the regulations regarding the sale of inserts has not been relaxed.

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Get pulled over by the police for wearing a tinted visor, and get a ticking off (thats pretty much all they can do)?


Wrong, read my earlier comment.

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MarJay wrote:

.... Crash and have a cheap pair of sunglasses take an eye out?


I guess that goes for those of us that wear normal glasses too?


Apart from taking your eye out, there have also been many reported cases where the arms of sunglasses have entered the brain through the nasal cavity causing severe brain damage, and in some cases death!

As a by the by, if the tinted visor is legal, i,e it conforms to BS 4110 XA, YA or ZA, then it is still legal to wear at night or when it is dark, but not recommended.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

So in summary, are there any tinted visors out there that are legal and adhere to whatever legislation they need to adhere to? Anyone know a link where these are sold?
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

kkhalil76 wrote:
So in summary, are there any tinted visors out there that are legal and adhere to whatever legislation they need to adhere to? Anyone know a link where these are sold?


https://www.racevisors.co.uk/

The Arai "light tint" visors are legal.

Not sure how much light a pinlock ready light tint visor with a light tint pinlock insert lets through, but it must be pretty similar to a dark visor and would be perfectly legal.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Note that a mirror finish insert is actually legal - as are the helmets that have dark visors behind the normal visor. It's just having the outside visor with reduced light that is an issue.


so what those Nolan VPS and the Shark S800 is actually illegal ? (external sun visors that fit over the clear visor)
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Apart from taking your eye out, there have also been many reported cases where the arms of sunglasses have entered the brain through the nasal cavity causing severe brain damage, and in some cases death!


Is this also the case for normal specs? Or is it just that the off-the-shelf sunglasses may have fitted poorly? I'm worried now, can't see without my specs on. Where can I get a prescription visor? (Just kidding, before anyone thinks I'm being serious)

Looks like I should save up for surgery or learn to stick my finger in my eye then.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you wear a full face helmet an accident which pushes glasses through your face would probably be unsurvivable anyway.
Although there are instances of this I would guess it is exceptional.

There is far too much shite on t' Internet these days.. Very Happy

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And if you need glasses to read a number plate at the legal distance you would be illegal without them anyway and I would refuse to ride with you. Mr. Green Laughing (Maybe Wink )
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

After seeing some dumb blonde bint nearly take out a queue of people waiting for the bus i had a similar question myself.

How comes these young girls can get away with driving around with sunglasses as big as a bloody satellite dish, yet i'll get stopped for wearing a tinted visor?
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:
After seeing some dumb blonde bint nearly take out a queue of people waiting for the bus i had a similar question myself.

How comes these young girls can get away with driving around with sunglasses as big as a bloody satellite dish, yet i'll get stopped for wearing a tinted visor?


Maybe as you can whip the sun glasses off in a jiffy if needed but a visor normaly stays put or you get motorbike eyes from the cold air.

A lot of things in this worthless life are not fair. Sad

Why do people wear sunglasses in supermarkets? Confused
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
How comes these young girls can get away with driving around with sunglasses as big as a bloody satellite dish, yet i'll get stopped for wearing a tinted visor?


Aii, but surely that means taking your hands from the steering wheel? Very Happy

I wouldn't think that removing glasses is any easier than lifting up your visor... Oh well, at least they give you something to laugh at when you see them sitting in traffic! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 14 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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, so even though a pillion has no control over the riding of the machine, if they are caught wearing a black visor, then they will be guilty of an off an offence in the same way that the rider will.

What a load of crock - That I dont understand why a law is in place. The pillion isnt in control -

I would rather take my chances and have a tinted visor then have sunglasses on Thumbs Up
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