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Timmeh
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: could I fit a double-sided swingarm to my NC35? Reply with quote

quick question.

Been offered a 600RR3 swingarm for very little.

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PostPosted: 13:43 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Re: could I fit a double-sided swingarm to my NC35? Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:
quick question.

Been offered a 600RR3 swingarm for very little.

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Why? You'll need a rear wheel and you'll need to make sure the sprocket aligns (which it probably won't).

You'll probably also need a 600RR rear brake and disc, potentially a master cylinder and it will all look rubbish.

Not least of the problems will be fitting the unit pro link suspension to the RVF.

Don't bother IMO, RVF's are worth more unmodified.

Some people don't seem to understand that bikes aren't like meccano, you can't just fit whatever parts from other bikes you see fit.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

any thing is possible,
ask for the measurements of the swing arm where it mounts to the frame, i dare say it'll be a bit wide for your slim frame, you can slim up the swing arm a wee bit, you would most defently have to change the bearings to suit your bikes pivot bolt, and probably alter the dog bones to suit the ride height,
it'll be alot of work, and if you can handle the bike being off the road for a bit, and you know a machinist or have easy acess to one to make spacers ect, then i personally would go for it,

bear in mind also that the cbr wheel, may not line up with your chain either.

food for thought

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PostPosted: 15:19 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

y on earth would u want to?!! the nc35 looks sweet, an the single sided swing arm is one of its best features, it may upset the way they handle as well if im not mistaken....
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally double sided swingarms work better than single sided ones.

However, this is a double sided swingarm designed to take a lot more power through it, so may not be lighter.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't bother alot of work to make the bike look worse.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Generally double sided swingarms work better than single sided ones.

However, this is a double sided swingarm designed to take a lot more power through it, so may not be lighter.


truesay G, this is the reason why I wanna do it. It's not for aesthetics, it's to make the bike handle better.

If I can make it fit, I'll have a lightweight version made up. This is just for testers. If it won't fit, I'll just sell it.

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PostPosted: 17:51 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you got decent suspension set up to your weight? Light weight wheels? Read twist of the Wrist II?

Any of those I expect will make a much bigger difference than the swingarm.

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I wouldn't bother alot of work to make the bike look worse.

Same with a single sided swingarm on a blade or whatever, but still a hell of a lot of people do it Smile.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Have you got decent suspension set up to your weight? Light weight wheels? Read twist of the Wrist II?


hahaha not yet.

Although I am going to change to a complete RR7 front end, as soon as my friend in America sources me one on the cheap.

The Dymag carbons will be bought in due course.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if a NC35 swinger can be made to fit a 1986 GSXR1100 id imagine you could get it to fit.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hahaha not yet.

Well, work out if you want a shiny bike with lots of random extras on or a good handling one Smile.

Trying not too sound too condescending - learning to make full use of what you have is probably going to be the biggest difference in handling and a copy of Twist of the Wrist should be under £20.
Seem to remember you had a crashed bike or similar, but to me, a lot of the rest that you mention sounds like spending money more for the sake of spending money - if that's what you want to do, then fair enough.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Seem to remember you had a crashed bike or similar....


nope, not me. The only thing I've ever crashed was my scooter, and that was many eons ago.

A properly set-up RR front and rear will handle miles better than the original, which is I feel is better than mixing old and new parts of bikes .

Only time will tell.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A properly set up VFR front end should be perfectly adequate if you add in after market springs and possibly damping.
Better than the stock components in a CBR one I expect.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
A properly set up VFR front end should be perfectly adequate if you add in after market springs and possibly damping.
Better than the stock components in a CBR one I expect.


really? That would save me a lot of money and effort. The only reason for changing the swinger is that they work better around the track. I'll look into keeping the original front if it'll offer me better options. It's not like I'm trying to build an RC211V rep or something. I want something functional.

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PostPosted: 23:45 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:


truesay G, this is the reason why I wanna do it. It's not for aesthetics, it's to make the bike handle better.

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You do know why Honda use the single sided swingarm don't you?

<hint>its for the improved handling<hint>
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do people think they can do a better job than multi million pound companies that have spent years of R&D on their machines?
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Why do people think they can do a better job than multi million pound companies that have spent years of R&D on their machines?


Dunno but I'm bothered that people can't open their eyes and work out why Honda did what they did when they fitted single sided swing arms.
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PostPosted: 01:02 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

why get a single sided swing armed bike then put a twin on it??
it will lose its appeal wouldnt it? i like the single arm look its great.
it would be differnt granted, but there'd be lots of work like bearings being made for it and trimming it down, rear wheel needed brake set up etc. it could throw off the balance also?
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:


but there'd be lots of work like bearings being made for it and trimming it down, rear wheel needed brake set up etc. it could throw off the balance also?



Very important word there.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Why do people think they can do a better job than multi million pound companies that have spent years of R&D on their machines?


They can maxton/hassock and a multitude of smaller engineering companies in the UK made better frames in the 80s than the Japanese, the big Japanese 4 took photos the next year their copy of it came about.

Aprovik a small austrian firm out made zorsts than the big Japanese 4 Apricavik were a tiny firm when they started up.

The hassock front end used on the Brittan V2000, and a modfied version on the BMW telelever system is supposed to be superior to that of forks, at least in moving parts and complexity, forks = x2 precision machined parts while the hassock front end only uses a single precision machined part much like monoshocks on the back of bikes when in the past they used twin shocks like GT 550s or old CB500s. I've yet to see a hassock type front on many bikes.

It is also supposed to separate various forces , at the cost of front end feel, I've had a go on a BMW 1150 , can't feel a thing through the front end and the braking is dead weird.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:


Dunno but I'm bothered that people can't open their eyes and work out why Honda did what they did when they fitted single sided swing arms.


you think it makes a difference to say the Bros/NTV ? I only find the NTV handles ok , not great, though my NTV seems to be turning in a bit quickly these days must be my worn to crap front tyre.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


you think it makes a difference to say the Bros/NTV ? I only find the NTV handles ok , not great, though my NTV seems to be turning in a bit quickly these days must be my worn to crap front tyre.



Why do people persist in lumping the BROS and NTV together? Ask Bella about the handleing of the BROS.

People need to open their eyes and look very closely at the chain driven single sided rear swing arms, try taking the rear wheels off and see what you notice.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything is centralised?
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 07 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Everything is centralised?


Very good that chap.

The rear disc on the chain driven single sided swing arms is in the exact centre of the bike to give neutral handling while on the brakes.

Now someones going to pipe up how they never use their rear brakes so in the words of Mick Doohan

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Anyone who says they don't use their rear brakes in a corner is either lying or a wanker. The rear brakes helps steady the bike and stops the rear end breaking away so you can get on the power earlier.


The rear brake is so important during corners that Honda added a single sided swing arm that weighs more just so they could get the rear disc in the centre of the bike.

But of course people know better than Mick Doohan and Honda. Rolling Eyes
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