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Keir
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: badly designed bike parts.... Reply with quote

whoever designed the suzuki rear caliper where the pins can seize themselves in should be shot.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, its a proper bastard isn't it.

Happened on my SV, had to hacksaw them in half and get em out that way, put new ones in and coated them with some copper grease, hopefully won't seize again! With the front calipers they were totally fucked so I just bought some new ones, saved an overhaul.

I am now aware of the problem so with the GSXR I'm taking special measures to make sure they don't seize!

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PostPosted: 15:03 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

same deal with allot of caliper designs..

What i do with mine is get some kind of decent penetrating oil, spray it anywhere it can reach the pins, (freeze and release is bloody excellent if you can get it) leave it for an hour, get a hammer and tap it any direction it will be able to move, until it moves very slightly (taking care not to flatten the pin) then get mole grips (use a rubber band or something if your worried about marking the pin) and twist them while spraying the oil a bit.. eventually it will move, it can take some time though.
I use a hammer and a drift to hammer it through the pin hole and then a screwdriver the hammer it the rest of the way out.

When you reassemble it use copper slip, otherwise you'll have the same shit to deal with next time Thumbs Down

If its REALLY bad a cunning arrangement of scrap metal and vices works as well but generally its not that bad (the one in question had been sat 9years)
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr.z wrote:
same deal with allot of caliper designs..


Suzuki one is particularly bad because the pins go into a blind hole. So you cannot tap them out from the other side.

Splitting the caliper is often the easiest thing to do.

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PostPosted: 15:10 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easiest, but not easy when those bolts have seized in too!
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the easiest option is just to buy another caliper.

Not that I would do such a thing on the Bandit.

Twice.

So far.

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PostPosted: 15:17 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drilled from the opposite side of where the pins come out on the bandit caliper. Luckily (no measuring - Mr Bodgit me Mr. Green ) I got it pretty much spot on and forced them out easily with the drill bit. Just remember to use a bit that is a smaller diameter than the pins themselves...

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-edit- Oh and I agree, they are a shit design.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 20 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just split mine in 2 when ever i have to change the pads, that doesnt hep you though ;d
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

and the bandit collector box thats the only mild steel part in a fully stainless system. why?!
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My GS500 pins came out straight away, total piece of piss Very Happy

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PostPosted: 11:13 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keir_K3 wrote:
and the bandit collector box thats the only mild steel part in a fully stainless system. why?!

I've just had the 2 exact same problems as you. Finished up having to split the rear caliper to change the pads, and just cut out the last of the coroded mild steel section and had some stainless welded in.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you can get a hold of it PB blaster is excellent at removing the awkward pins... mole grops spray and twist as said earlier .... suzuki have a lot of flaws with all there bikes ... gsxr (F) you have to drop the engine to remove the airbox.... unless of course your not putting it back on in wich case a good lumphammer will allow it to fit through the frame Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigbike-r wrote:
if you can get a hold of it PB blaster is excellent at removing the awkward pins... mole grops spray and twist as said earlier .... suzuki have a lot of flaws with all there bikes ... gsxr (F) you have to drop the engine to remove the airbox.... unless of course your not putting it back on in wich case a good lumphammer will allow it to fit through the frame Rolling Eyes


I had major trouble getting the airbox out of the old bandit6. Me and a couple of mates were headscratching for ages after reading "ease it out of teh opening on teh left hand side of the frame". Ease my arse, fucking lumphammer it out more like, then struggle like a bastard to get it back in!

Never doing that again! Thumbs Down

Oh and who designed the oil cooler protector that rubs holes in the side of the cooler? If you haven't checked yours yet - do it!

Oh and who bloody designed the cast sections of the oil cooler that connect to the oil pipes? There's not enough metal there and eventually they split, forcing you to weld them up or get a new cooler! Aaaaagh! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The worst one is on almost every Japanese bike. Crosshead screws. Worst fixing ever! Why do they do it.

Mind you, my number one part entirely unfit for purpose is the cable operated disc brake as fitted to many motorcycles during the early-mid 1970's.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB100N I had many years ago had one. A sneeze had more effect on your speed unless the thing was perfectly set up (which lasted about 10 minutes).

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PostPosted: 13:34 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The worst one is on almost every Japanese bike. Crosshead screws. Worst fixing ever! Why do they do it.


Yea! Almost all the screws are like that on the cb750! , pisses me off.
Most have had to have a flat slot cut in to them and then impact driven off(manual one)

My number one part entirely unfit for purpose is plastic brake and clutch leavers, they bend when you use them ffs!
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cable clutches on the suzuki oilboilers.... had mine pop out twice of the retainer as its no stronger than a paper clip... in the process of fitting a hydraulic one now though
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

All fairing fastenings. Mad
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudskipper wrote:
All fairing fastenings. Mad


Agreed, why do they never line up when you come to put it back together.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole Honda GL1500 back end. You have to demolish the bike to get the wheel off for a tyre change Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
The whole Honda GL1500 back end. You have to demolish the bike to get the wheel off for a tyre change Rolling Eyes


Serves you right for owning an arm chair on wheels.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
The whole Honda GL1500 back end. You have to demolish the bike to get the wheel off for a tyre change Rolling Eyes


Serves you right for owning an arm chair on wheels.
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An arm chair that can CRUISE at 80+mph all day and still hear the radio Dance!

I'm an old man Jamie, my legs won't bend round a sports bike anymore Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

An arm chair that can CRUISE at 80+mph all day and still hear the radio Dance!

I'm an old man Jamie, my legs won't bend round a sports bike anymore Laughing


I like them any way mate.
Dad wants to get one when the house sells.

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PostPosted: 21:38 - 21 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
Dad wants to get one when the house sells.

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Good thinking, big enough and enough compartments to replace a house. Would need another to use as a garage though.
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