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 Posted: 00:51 - 05 Dec 2007  Post subject: Ex-Italian President: 9/11 Was Inside Job |
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Rough translation from the source;
"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan
https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120407_common_knowledge.htm
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| Posted: 14:08 - 05 Dec 2007 Post subject: |
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The thing that's more scary than the act itself is that it's now commonly known the US govt did it, but the public's reaction is one of powerless complacency (complacent as a result of being powerless to do anything about it).
So the scum at the top must be sitting there, thinking "Wow, we were totally found out, but...we've still got away with it!"
This is an across-the-board phenomenon, from the pettiest infraction to the grossest atrocity. Even when something is aired on national TV, and proved to be irrefutable fact (Eg, Dispatches, the MP's overnight accomodation allowance fraud) absolutely nothing is done about it. Re the example above, we even saw how Jack Straw totally abused the parliamentary system to criminally aid the advance of a bill to prevent the freedom of information act counting for questions regarding MP's expenses. Anything done about it? On the news even? No. Nada.
What these scum do, in our so-called 'democracy', is engineer systems they can publicise as 'safeguards' but which are in fact systems that only they can access. Can a member of the public make a formal criminal complaint to the police about an MP de-frauding his expense account? No, he can't, that system is available only to parliament. Can a member of the public make a formal criminal complaint to the police when parliament completely fails to take action against abuse of MP expense accounts? No, he can't, because parliament is above the law.
So when it's exposed, as it was on Dispatches, and absolutely nothing is done about it, the public have to sit and impotently grind their teeth.
As they do with 911, and any other petty infraction or major atrocity.
Politicians are a class of people who have recognized that getting into power enables them to fill their bank accounts and have the bestest and mostest of everything. And that is the one and only reason they get into politics. All the other fine-sounding noble sh1te they spout is just that, sh1te.
Modern society: cattle led by hyenas.
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| Posted: 14:13 - 05 Dec 2007 Post subject: |
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| Hetzer wrote: |
Modern society: cattle led by hyenas. |
but as said what can anybody do about it?,
the great ideas, ie assassination markets ,
zero wages and expenses (until the next election at which people vote on if you are worth it) ,
cannot be implented without them,
A great idea is that anybody who wants to grow up to be a politician is automatically barred from it, as said those who seek to become in positions of power are least suited to it ,
and as such many Labour MPs who were excommunist party members yes John Reid was an ex commie, should be barred from politics, absolutely his children and his childrens children etc
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| Itchy wrote: | | Hetzer wrote: |
Modern society: cattle led by hyenas. |
but as said what can anybody do about it?,
the great ideas, ie assassination markets ,
zero wages and expenses (until the next election at which people vote on if you are worth it) ,
cannot be implented without them,
A great idea is that anybody who wants to grow up to be a politician is automatically barred from it, as said those who seek to become in positions of power are least suited to it ,
and as such many Labour MPs who were excommunist party members yes John Reid was an ex commie, should be barred from politics, absolutely his children and his childrens children etc |
The normal answer to the question "what can we do about it" is answered by people who offer 'systems' that claim to prevent abuse. Probably the greatest one of all is the American Constitution. But look how that's currently being destroyed, after already suffering decades of erosion.
The problem with systems is they come up against the very human nature they're intended to regulate. A human nature that always seeks to subvert them for individual gain and advantage. And when a system is designed by the very people who already wish to subvert it, it's worth 100% of a turd.
The popular question these days is how can we prevent the very worst of our species from taking power, especially when it's very clear that decent people almost never feel the inclination to do the job? Any system that anyone creates will be subverted of course.
A true 'utopia' requires one of two things: genetic engineering or a society in which everyone has the bestest and the mostest of whatever they desire.
Genetic engineering offers regulation of human nature, but is beyond current technology.
Universal material wealth would remove the need for greed and all abuses thereof, but would require a level of technology we don't currently have, and limitless free energy (so-called Zero Point Energy).
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| Posted: 14:33 - 05 Dec 2007 Post subject: |
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Anything can be engineered to make something look real.
Dispatches and all the videos on the internet are so flagrantly biased that you are going to be suspicious of the US G'ment ordering planes into their own buildings.
If I put across a similar biased account that human skin was exactly the same as a banana skin, just a different colour would you believe it?
The conspiracy is getting about as ridiculous as people thinking the US didn't land on the moon. 
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| Posted: 15:23 - 05 Dec 2007 Post subject: |
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| Jon B wrote: | Anything can be engineered to make something look real.
Dispatches and all the videos on the internet are so flagrantly biased that you are going to be suspicious of the US G'ment ordering planes into their own buildings.
If I put across a similar biased account that human skin was exactly the same as a banana skin, just a different colour would you believe it?
The conspiracy is getting about as ridiculous as people thinking the US didn't land on the moon. |
It's called counter-bias, but the bias takes the form only of the supposition that the targets of the program are, actually, crooked and bent. Everything else is based upon proven, public, record (usually obtained, with great difficulty, under the Freedom of Information Act).
All you get from politicians is "I'm an honest and decent individual with your best interests at heart".
Proven documented fact vs self-serving verbal dribble.
It doesn't ever matter if a particular conspiracy theory is rubbish anyway, because the actual truth will always be worse. Take that as a guiding principle when considering the scum who run our lives and you'll never be off base.
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I don't think they proved anything all the expert where saying was the same thing the government was saying and not really backing it up with any evidence and how they said he was a expert in water? and the loose change guy said it doesn't change the science, they never said anything to that
In part 5 they completely avoided the question. It all a little funny really and of course there a going to be things the government plans and don't tell the public about. Its just like heros and Nathan Petrelli  |
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My thoughts were aiming towards the convenience of it all, the one thing that baffles me is the time taken for all this to go wrong. Flight paths, radio communications etc etc. Before we’ve even begun to think of why whiffs of smoke appeared places they really shouldn’t have, how the hell did all this get underway and out of control the way it did?
Anyways, I think forward to some outcomes of whether or not we find out and prove what we are thinking. I’m sure enough people have done quite enough accusing, protests and letters etc etc….but what good will that do? At the end of the day the US have done what they’ve done to survive longer in the best possible way.
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