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| Kickstart wrote: | | hellkat wrote: | And the other half don't understand English well enough to vote.
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Err, What do you mean?
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What I mean is that I read an article the other day that says AVERAGELY in London, for 40% of pupils English is their second language, and that the schools are struggling to top up budgets so that they can provide translators.
My borough (Newham) is the second highest at 72%, only pipped by Tower Hamlets, which is over 75%.
So if that's the kids who don't understand English, how many of their parents of voting age learn it enough to understand who or what they are voting for?
Whether it is even a priority in their life to vote, let alone to actually CARE what government gets in and why, one has to wonder. But how likely are they to vote against a government that handed them (and continues to hand them) immigration, benefits and houses, with the most disorganised and disjointed system so that everyone who can does play the system to get maximum benefit (in more than one sense of the word) for doing nothing.
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| Posted: 01:13 - 29 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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You are quite right.
I will agree that there are many people who do speak English, and very competently, and who live and work within the remit of the rest of society.
But the out-of-control nature of the immigration system (and its WAY more out of control than anyone likes to think) means that there is a scarily large number of people who just *arrive* and are unaccounted for, but when the balance sheets are tallied within the local authorities and the national health, suddenly we start to see where the money is having to be spent.
It might seem, to those of you who know that I myself am an immigrant from another country, that I am being somewhat hypocritical. But that would only be the case if I had come to this country, slipped through the immigration net and wedged myself firmly and expensively within the social welfare net. Which I did not do.
But when headteachers in inner London schools start to say "We don't know where these children come from ... they just turn up in classes."... and then the schools have the find the money to accommodate their lack of English by topping up already-stretched budgets to employ translators so that these children can learn...
... one has to wonder.
Why have the parents not gone to the school and properly applied?
It is because the parents speak (in their own language) to other locals from the same culture who say "So and So school is closest/have the most people like us/feeds the children for the least amount of dinner money - just send them there." ... which is what they do, just literally send the children there: "Off you go, that's the school you will be at, my friends children are there, so you will be fine."
Because it this is EXACTLY what is happening.
I have sat on a bus with a Romanian girl (legally here, to the best of my knowledge  ) and been told that this is exactly the sort of thing that is being discussed two seats away from me.
Immigration IS out of control in this country.
People turn up whether authorised by immigration or not, assimilate into the country still within their own culture, discuss what to do amongst themselves in their own languages, and then just go ahead and do it.
It is a REALITY and many people in this country are not seeing it.
So why do we think, whether they speak good English or not, that they would vote for a government which may change the law so that they (and others still back in their original countries) will no longer be able to do that, and indeed, who might pass laws which restrict their rights to come to this country and milk it dry.
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