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PostPosted: 13:25 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Crash bobbins - what do you reckon to these Reply with quote

has anyone bought any crash bobbins from these guys b4 or does anyone reckon these will be any good - they seem a pretty good price.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/96-06-YAMAHA-YZF-600R-No-Cut-BLACK-Crash-Bobbins_W0QQitemZ110211576633QQihZ001QQcategoryZ25626QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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PostPosted: 13:33 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a US shop pretending to be a UK one.

Expect import duty.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would personally only trust R&G's, and you get what you pay for.

I'd just spend the extra wedge and buy some R&G's. Get a garage to do the cuts if you aren't confident.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
I would personally only trust R&G's, and you get what you pay for.

I'd just spend the extra wedge and buy some R&G's. Get a garage to do the cuts if you aren't confident.



Hmmm. I think there is an unhealthy (for the wallet) obsession with R&G's in this country. FFS they are only a bolt with a plastic bung, it really is not rocket science.

I have a set of unbranded crash bungs on the Gixxer, and they protected it pretty well when I dropped it.

If it sticks out and acts as a point of contact before other more expensive stuff touches down, then surely its a useful thing to have.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

True yes, but when you want them to save your bike as much as possible I'd personally go for the brand with the best reputation, I'm not saying there aren't equal or better products out there.

It's the same with Ohlins for suspension.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm relunctand in buying R&G's after seeing the damage it did on Paul's (shleppy aka Goose's brother) ER5. Similarly, my mate wrote off the frame of his SV650 when went down, but due to the protrusion of the R&G, it touched down causing the bike to rotate around the bung, causing sufficient load to be put on the bar for it to actually buckle thus bending the frame. Certain bikes they work for, but in this instance, it was a case of poor design.

Whitenoise got some money back from R&G when he binned his ZX7R methinks - this was waaay back in the day - like 2005 if i remember correctly.

I'd be giving them a miss since i have to drill through my fairings and fit a replacement coolant bottle.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
It's the same with Ohlins for suspension.


Pah.

Unless you are a very sensitive rider, I have the same opinion of Ohlins as most top branded stuff, you just don't need it. Even good club racers probably wouldn't benefit of such expensive kit.

I reckon a good rebuild of decent OE units with appropriate components and setup for a rider's weight and use would be far better and cheaper than bolting £5k of top of the range Ohlins on there.

Blinded by the brand. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
True yes, but when you want them to save your bike as much as possible I'd personally go for the brand with the best reputation, I'm not saying there aren't equal or better products out there.

It's the same with Ohlins for suspension.

Would you buy a Harley because it has, in many circles, the best reputation of bike manufacturers, despite many other people considering them terrible.

I've seen too many bikes damaged by R&Gs when they would have ended up less damaged without to blindly buy them. Some of their designs are good. Some are pretty cack, yet still sold at the expensive prices of the good ones.

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I'd agree if you're talking £5k of Ohlins. Not so sure if you're talking a £500 shock and £200 worth of fork internals.
Nor would I say stick with Ohlins - there's plenty of other decent makes out there.
I do think that a decent shock (properly setup of course) will make a reasonable difference to most people on most bikes. Yes they probably still can go faster without, but will more comfortable doing so with.
Saying that, on the Triumphs some people seemed to have better luck getting the standard shock revalved and resprung than with an aftermarket one, but then that's still going to cost your average punter a fair bit for a shock.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
It's the same with Ohlins for suspension.


Pah.

Unless you are a very sensitive rider, I have the same opinion of Ohlins as most top branded stuff, you just don't need it. Even good club racers probably wouldn't benefit of such expensive kit.

I reckon a good rebuild of decent OE units with appropriate components and setup for a rider's weight and use would be far better and cheaper than bolting £5k of top of the range Ohlins on there.

Blinded by the brand. Rolling Eyes


Yeah, I was agreeing with you on the Ohlins front, it's just the tart value of the name. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I`d say why not.

I need a new set of bobbins as well, only the left one really but there no way Im paying £62 for a whole new set again.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reppyboyo wrote:
Personally, I`d say why not.

I need a new set of bobbins as well, only the left one really but there no way Im paying £62 for a whole new set again.


If you are talking R & G then they will sell you one protector and one bolt, just call and order it.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't bother with them anymore. The only real good they do is for very low-speed drops, anything more and the difference in damage sustained is pointless. If you have fully-comp ins they'll pay out to fix it and your premium will go up the same. If you have TPFT you'll be paying for your own repairs, and the chances the bung will have reduced the damage in any appreciable way will be negligable, and very possibly worse.

Bottom line, you come off at any kind of speed and your bike will be fvcked, no matter what bits you have sticking out.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

HPS Bungs > R&G Wink
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a set of R&Gs. and saved me buying a new set of side fairings.. though the rear cowel still managed to get scratched..brake lever bent, and the peg broke. (Suzuki gsxr 600). This was just really from a low speed drop. Do feel that any other make would have done the same job in my sort of minor accident.

Happy I had some bungs on there in the first place, and could buy the single one which got damaged separately after the crash, which was a bonus.

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PostPosted: 16:06 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bought some for my YZF 600 from this lot, good service and product.

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PostPosted: 16:12 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

At work theres an SV thats been stacked, the bung snapped on impact. Buy a crash frame! On a serious note its hard to choose because you dont know if it will work at all.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd consider them for scenarios where the bike will land on its side below town speeds, anything else and they seem to be a moot point. Some seem to disintegrate as they slide but some are way too sturdy and thus end up bending/breaking whatever they are attached to/near.

Avoid any metal crash bungs you see for sure, and check around for other people who have used R&G/HPS/etc bungs and had any problems.

A better alternative would be engine bars, I got some on my CB-1 and they double as footrests for long journeys Smile The stand on the bike is crud and it blows over now and then if the wind is strong. The engine bars are still structurally sound, the paint isn't but who cares.

I don't quite know how they would react though in a high speed slide/crash but I'd imagine from what others have said to me, that they are more likely to wrap themselves around the engine itself. It probably would be a good idea not to have your feet on them if it does go down Wink
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Rhencullen crash bungs are far better than R&Gs. I had a set on the Blade whenI threw it across a roundabout and they stopped the bars or the fairing lower touching down.

The big, and important, difference is that they are on brackets from the frame mounts with a rod running between the bungs, behind the down pipes (on the blade) this means that there is give and flex in the bungs, instead of the force being transferred to the frame.

Unfortunately, in trying to find the URL, I've just found that Rhencullen have stopped trading due to a fire. Bloody shame!

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PostPosted: 00:43 - 12 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine had a set of DHMs from Motrax - the bike went down and the bung just disintegrated!
Same bike, different incident - this time on R&Gs, the bungs saved all but the lower fairing and a small amount of damage to the stator cover. The bung on the opposite side did bend, but the soft bolt used to mount it gave way before the frame did.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 12 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got mine from the nice people below. Hand turned out of the best material. Much, much cheaper than R&G at a.,l and they do spares.

https://www.loscrashprotection.com/


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