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Who is more of a threat?
Terrorists
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SoND
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PostPosted: 07:47 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Who is more of a threat to us? Reply with quote

Terrorists or our government?

Day by day I keep believing in these terrorists less and less so it's quite alarming to see how many of our rights and liberties are being taken away from us in the name of our safety, it doesn't add up and I'm pretty sick of it. No terrorist threat but more laws... Thinking
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember this: Tyranny always comes to your door in a uniform.

Governments have been responsible for over 200 million deaths last century. Terrorist related deaths are in the thousands.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A drive by reply as I have to go out, its the government ,

politics of fear , a docu drama has some interesting theories about this.

precis:

politicians in the past gave visions of a better life in the future, and used this to control people (be it god, afterlife or whatever) ,

they failed,

and thus have turned to fearism to control the masses and scaring people = more compliance, thus in the 70s-80s they had the USSR, it fell so they had to invent another boogey man to "save" us from.

People who are not afraid will probably be the first ones sent to the death camps,
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I break the law everyday, multiple times, my pleasure activities still continue, albeit illegal but I don’t care, I’m not going to prison or being executed for it.

If a bomb went off in my town because some mad paki hates us, then id say terrorists.

The government is just highly irritating.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd have to say terrorists in the long term really.

An oppressive government can be brought down quite easily.

Terrorism has always been around, but it's not very well known about and thus hard to eradicate.

I'm also rather more scared about being blown up in a bus, than not being allowed to smoke in a pub.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrorists threaten, governments do. I wold personally be afraid of the idiots that are in charge that a man with a towel on his head shouting "I Keeel you" Razz
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Governments are just accepted terrorists. They operate by creating fear, and getting you to do stuff because you are afraid of the consequences. Bunch of cunts.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:24 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
You'd have to say terrorists in the long term really.


What terrorists though? I don't see any terrorists or any terrorist related activities going on.. Neutral


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I'm also rather more scared about being blown up in a bus, than not being allowed to smoke in a pub.


Is not being able to smoke in a pub the worst thing you can think of?
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no terrorist threat, unless you count the one-in-a-billion chance of being done in by a bomb in the UK. You have more chance of winning the euro lottery.

But nazi govt legislation, you have more chance of being malignly effected by that than of being caught out in the rain.

The only real terrorists in the UK are the govt.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
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And you have children? Laughing

Setting a great example, keep it up Thumbs Up They should be so proud..
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

The only real terrorists in the UK are the govt.


Agree. There are a few crazies out there who are repeatedly blamed for things actually carried out by HMG. Useful idiots, or patsies.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason Terrorists are about is Government ... thus the most dangerous is Government
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon Brown and Tony Blair would have made Stalin so proud.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 Word :DARFUR!
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

36 - 0 Shocked

Who doesn't believe our owners are criminals and need to be replaced and punished?
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 16 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can say both.
Because both of them make our lives more miserable. They create problems and diversity to everyone else.
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 17 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair if they do blow up busses, it's only peasants.
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PostPosted: 03:30 - 17 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry guys, but some of the comments coming out here are ridiculous.

Terrorism

Firstly, 'terrorism' is just a label to scare people by the media. Secondly, 'terrorists' are no more than murderers and criminals, like anyone else in our society who decides to kill other human beings. Labeling them 'terrorists' gives them some sort of tiny justification and makes the cycle spin.

For example, Al-Queda isn't an entity, it's an ideology - militant ideology, which is dangerous. Without necessary protection from the Government, they'd be far more dangerous.

That said, the danger posed by fanatical islamic ideology parallels that of the common thug/criminal ideology - that of going out and mugging/battering people on a Saturday night is acceptable. Both are driven by close-minded bigotry and hatred.

Government
To the comment: "The UK government are terrorists". Well, that's just ridiculous.

The Government are representative of us and as part of the electorate we all have the responsibility to make sure this is done properly - by protesting, voting or entering politics yourself. Being a lazy bastard, sat at your computer makes you no better than the government itself.

If something peeves you off, make sure your voice is heard.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 17 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blink wrote:


Government
To the comment: "The UK government are terrorists". Well, that's just ridiculous.

The Government are representative of us and as part of the electorate we all have the responsibility to make sure this is done properly - by protesting, voting or entering politics yourself. Being a lazy bastard, sat at your computer makes you no better than the government itself.

If something peeves you off, make sure your voice is heard.



The government are "representitive of us"? Laughing Laughing Laughing

"Make sure your voice is heard"? What, by having a choice between Labour or Conservative? So you get to vote for Nazi Labour or Nazi Conservative...hmm, that's worth coming out from behind the computer for!

The govt is a terrorist organization because it terrorizes the public with blatant lies, and does absolutely NOTHING the public asks.

But you're right about 'terrorists' being just another name for criminal thugs. Which means the govt has allowed thousands of terrorists into the country carte-blanche via it's immigration policy.

In terms of threat to each UK citizen, our govt ranks about a hundred times more dangerous than Al Queda.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 17 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
You'd have to say terrorists in the long term really.

An oppressive government can be brought down quite easily.

Terrorism has always been around, but it's not very well known about and thus hard to eradicate.

I'm also rather more scared about being blown up in a bus, than not being allowed to smoke in a pub.


Wow...

To start with, if we, as the british empire, and now under 'labour' dident fuck around with this new crusading nonsense no one would have to worry about getting blown up by terrorists, we made ourselves a target...

Secondly as hetz says, the chances of getting blown up by a terrorist are so remote i do not give it any second thought, as a biker i have far more pressing threats on my life to be concerned with... But you obveously subscribe to the media/government induced comatosis of fear Jon i'll leave you to it.

Also the one comment that really worried me for the future of this country was
'An oppressive government can be brought down quite easily. "

Umm... No... already our HARD fought civil liberties are being taken away, and its a far harder to claw back rights than it is too loose them, all the government needs to do is convinve us we are in a war situation (and when i say we, i mean you and me, sitting in urban/suburban england using our computers, riding our bikes etc) and we will grant them whatever they want...

40 Days without trial? no problemo, oh you want another 20 days... well okay, they are baaad terrorists after all. Come to think of it, why dont we do away with due process and the right to a fair trail completely, i mean these things are overrated anyway... right?...

I worry for the future of this country, but then again i dont, because as soon as possible i will be fucking off to canada, and once me and my loved ones are gone they can drop a bomb on the piece of shit....

Have you read George Orwell's 1984 Jon B?, if not give it a go...
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 17 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
You'd have to say terrorists in the long term really.

An oppressive government can be brought down quite easily.

Terrorism has always been around, but it's not very well known about and thus hard to eradicate.


So then pray tell how do we do it? , by voting? , which doens't work as the next lot renege on their promises, infact Gordo's lawyer recently said that pledges and manifesto promises meant nothing , as they are not subject to legitimate expectation, (this was when a UKIP fellow challenged Brown's pledge about a referendum on the EU).

Thus anything they say means nothing, pretty much like the we won't increase taxes and NI went up +1%.

Civil disobedience? --> anti terror laws

Witholding taxes -> no taxation without representation? , won't wotk here PAYE and goods taxes mean than you pay the majority of your taxes before you even see your pay cheque.


You also forget about something called frog soup. Put a frog in a boiling pan of water it'll jump out immediately , put it in a pan of cold water and slowly heat it up and the frog will stay and boil to death.

Thus Zanulabour moves slowly almost invisibly and implements these totalitarian laws very slowly, such that people do not notice.

Hence finger prints + DNA, pre 97, convicted of crime only , post 99 , arrested and charged post 2002 if you get arrested/stopped by a cop.

If Zanulabour over night revealed their true intentions, ie a totalitarian state where dissidents are executed instantly where they and their families are kept in luxury for life while the population are not allowed to drive and are only allowed a potato a day to live on, huge death camps and taxes going straight into their pockets.

There would be a huge rebellion, which would be crushed since the UK population is mostly unarmed , hell even with the US's 9th Amendment where citizens are allowed semi automatic weapons you think a hand gun would work against uncle sam's tanks and gunships? (see Waco siege).

And thus it is moved slowly and most people think there is no problem until it directly affects themselves.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 17 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

By a sensible definition of 'terrorism', it includes our government as well as the US one.

Through out actions we have killed more, put more lives at risk and caused a massive amount more 'terror' than the islam-nasties that we are made to fear by the friendly governments.

We know that it's not ok to do it because it's the regime doing it - that's been made clear - so it's fine if it's /our/ regime doing it, or one we support or are afraid of.
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