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PostPosted: 13:12 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Man arrested and put in DNA database because of apple Reply with quote

Following on from this thread on BCF, where a woman was apprehended by 'rude' council brown-shirts demanding money with menace after she dropped crumbs; we have a new case for the BCF massive.

As reported here
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a gentleman has been arrested, detained for 18 hours, and placed on the DNA database because a 'community support officer' believed he had dropped an apple core. When the gentleman argued his case, denying any wrongdoing the police were called and he was dragged off.

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PostPosted: 13:20 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Haven't clicked the links*

There was a case reported in the papers a few weeks ago about a teenager who was arrested for something and DNA sampled, he was later found to be completely innocent, so he's now arguing the case of the DNA sample saying as he's innocent it should be taken off the records...Which I think is fair...
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This case was so outrageous even the news presenters were critical, and that's unheard of. Shocked

The stench from the nazi toilet this country has become grows ever more malodorous.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its disgusting, absolutely disgusting, I really am just waiting for a copper to try and stop me for something now.

I am going to start taking photo's of policemen (and women) as there are always plenty going past my house, I am going to do it because legally I can and anything I can do to wind them up will make me smile.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do some more worth while jobs like catch criminals? why are people being thrown in jail over apple cores and rapist and murderes be allowed to roam the streets Shocked they may only be the council but I think they should switch to murder investigations and show some skills there.

dosnt dna testing cost a lot of money? and this is what its spent on, apple cores Confused
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Oh Oh...I'd forgotten about this as it was a fortnight ago...

I'm at work, my Mom's nipped round mine to walk the dogs, notices the bin is upside down and immediatley thinks " Bike ", she straightens the bin up and goes to walk into the house, from behind her she hears " Excuse me " and turns around to see two coppers.

They explain that there have been reports of a few kids over the back being shot with an air rifle and it's coming from one of the four house here, mine included, they ask who lives here and how old I am and if I've got a rifle, she explains that I haven't and they ask if they can search the bedroom to which she says no as it's not her house and that there are chub locks on the bedroom doors, to which they ask why and she explains because of expensive items and that it's none of their business anyway.

They again ask if they can search the rooms!!! She explains to them again and says hold on I'll phone him at work...

Call goes like this...After she'd told me what's gone on...

" Hello is this Adam "

" No this is Mr Round "

" Errm, we're calling to ask if we can search your bedrooms for an air rifle "

" Have you got a warrent ? "

" Errrm No "

" Well that's a No then, put the lady back on "

" Mom ?..Yeah, Hello, tell them to piss off and make sure they leave, see you later "

I fully expected them to be there when I finished work with one but as it turns out the next door neighbour admitted to having one to shoot doves with !!!

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PostPosted: 14:08 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

So instead of dropping an apple core, which is biodegradable, he should have carried it home to put in a plastic bin bag, to be put in a diesel fuelled lorry, to be driven to be put in the ground somewhere else? I can completely see the logic in that one. Rolling Eyes

In the slagging off estate agents thread we had someone own up to be an estate agent, so come on, have we got an PCSO's on here?
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrested on the hearsay of effectively a member of the public (as PCSO have no powers). Very bad news, very disgusting. To repeat what I said in this thread
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FWIW PCSO don't get any respect from me.
They're just the tea boys and girls running around doing all the menial chores because there aren't enough 'real' police and the budget doesn't stretch and the politicians,etc, etc, etc.

They also aren't trained to the same standard of the police and IMO if they insist on being called POLICE CPO must be held accountable to a higher standard. Otherwise drop the POLICE and call them community dogsbodies.


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PostPosted: 15:24 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Arrested on the hearsay of effectively a member of the public (as PCSO have no powers). Very bad news, very disgusting. To repeat what I said in this thread
MAP wrote:
FWIW PCSO don't get any respect from me.
They're just the tea boys and girls running around doing all the menial chores because there aren't enough 'real' police and the budget doesn't stretch and the politicians,etc, etc, etc.

They also aren't trained to the same standard of the police and IMO if they insist on being called POLICE CPO must be held accountable to a higher standard. Otherwise drop the POLICE and call them community dogsbodies.


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"They're just the tea boys and girls running around doing all the menial chores because there aren't enough 'real' police and the budget doesn't stretch"

True, true. Also (in Essex anyway) the PCSOs get about 18k, a PC gets 23k yeah theres a little saving there but in terms of actually getting something done 3 fully fledged PCs are going to be much more use than 4 PCSOs.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keir_K3 wrote:


"They're just the tea boys and girls running around doing all the menial chores because there aren't enough 'real' police and the budget doesn't stretch"

True, true. Also (in Essex anyway) the PCSOs get about 18k, a PC gets 23k yeah theres a little saving there but in terms of actually getting something done 3 fully fledged PCs are going to be much more use than 4 PCSOs.


You have to factor in training costs/pensions/Healthcare plans etc.

PCSO training is what, 6 weeks? PC training is over 6 months, with another 18 months probation after that. The costs in delivering the 29 week training course could probably put a full trained PCSO on the street for over a year, making them much cheaper, especially if you're only interested in any uniformed presence in the short term.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

But none of it affects any of you, so why worry about it? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

cestrian wrote:
But none of it affects any of you, so why worry about it? Rolling Eyes


I earnestly hope that the next 'fascist' law brought in will involve the painful death of those using rolling-eye smilies to hammer home their repetitive and faux-world-weary points.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

They really are just uniformed grasses.

That IS it.

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PostPosted: 23:06 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
PCSO training is what, 6 weeks? PC training is over 6 months, with another 18 months probation after that. The costs in delivering the 29 week training course could probably put a full trained PCSO on the street for over a year, making them much cheaper, especially if you're only interested in any uniformed presence in the short term.



They're doing a mighty fine job, let's applaud them for not being generally useless and throwing their weight about. Clapping
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
So instead of dropping an apple core, which is biodegradable, he should have carried it home to put in a plastic bin bag, to be put in a diesel fuelled lorry, to be driven to be put in the ground somewhere else? I can completely see the logic in that one. Rolling Eyes

The problem is that it doesn't have the time to biodegrade, as the pigeons etc attack it first. Or somebody steps on it, possibly causing them to slip, but at best, making a nice mess on the sole of the shoes which is then carried inside the house. The idea of carrying somebody else's half eaten food into my house where I walk around in bare feet is enough to make me Sick .

People who spit out their chewing gum should be shot, or put in stocks for everybody else to stick their gum on.

I'm surprised the police bothered to turn up; here in London they hate these pretend coppers. A colleague told a plastic bobby to fuck off once, after having been asked for his ID; the plastic bobby then called the real ones as reinforcements, who upon hearing he'd told him to fuck off said it sounded like a fair comment to make.
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
So instead of dropping an apple core, which is biodegradable, he should have carried it home to put in a plastic bin bag, to be put in a diesel fuelled lorry, to be driven to be put in the ground somewhere else? I can completely see the logic in that one.


You're missing the point; there was no apple core.

The police took the word of some power hungry uniform over the very people they are supposed to be working for...
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Ste wrote:
So instead of dropping an apple core, which is biodegradable, he should have carried it home to put in a plastic bin bag, to be put in a diesel fuelled lorry, to be driven to be put in the ground somewhere else? I can completely see the logic in that one.


You're missing the point; there was no apple core.

The police took the word of some power hungry uniform over the very people they are supposed to be working for...

According to the report they also allege that an apple core was thrown and nearly hit somebody.
Yet this isn't reflected in the charge, just shear mud slinging and totally out of order.

It would appear that on the word of a CPSO you're guilty unless you can prove you're innocent!

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think no laws have been passed stating this. Unless you possibly count the recent terrorist legislation! Shocked Thinking Maybe that's it, obviously a terrorist practising throwing a bomb of some sort that's being disguised as an apple so must guilty Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Maybe that's it, obviously a terrorist practising throwing a bomb of some sort that's being disguised as an apple so must guilty Brick Wall


Did you know that in the US all crime is classed as 'terrorism'?

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PostPosted: 12:32 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just a shame that trial by combat isn't allowed anymore

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/807031/posts

(2002 man challenges DVLA to trial by combat and loses his right to trial by combat)
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:

PCSO training is what, 6 weeks? PC training is over 6 months, with another 18 months probation after that. The costs in delivering the 29 week training course could probably put a full trained PCSO on the street for over a year, making them much cheaper, especially if you're only interested in any uniformed presence in the short term.


well by that logic ..... cardboard cut outs of cops

al la

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/7322266.stm

are EVEN more cost effective.... and if I had time to look into the detail , cardboard cut outs of cops would probably have more powers than PCSOs too.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're all missing the point.
It's about respect for authority. If you litter and a copper (or PCSO) asks you to pick up your rubbish you should.
People wonder why so many youths are the way they are today, yet if there is no respect it will never improve.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the point that you have missed is that respect is earned, and The Authorities can only be respected when their actions are worthy of such.

It could be that this man did drop an apple core - if he did, he's a littering twat and deserves some kind of penalty.

That said - and accepting that the articles are written in a pretty biased style - 5 police officers to ARREST someone who has ALLEGEDLY disposed of a piece of fruit in an inappropriate fashion is overkill by any measure - and a criminal waste of resources by mine.

Slightly off on a tangent; while I realise they've probably had 'professional witness' training to make their word more credible, surely if you contest a alleged offense like this, a PCSO would have to do a little better than just writing you a ticket to prove the offense?

If I'm honest, I have much less disdain for PCSO's than I do for council officers of just about any ilk, who are utter (and utterly unaccountable) vermin.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fortuna wrote:
You're all missing the point.
It's about respect for authority. If you litter and a copper (or PCSO) asks you to pick up your rubbish you should.
People wonder why so many youths are the way they are today, yet if there is no respect it will never improve.


THE BLOKE SAID THERE WAS NO APPLE!

Why do you automatically believe the PCSO (uniformed grass)?

Seems you have missed the point, did you bother to read the article?
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