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 Posted: 12:34 - 25 Aug 2008  Post subject: track sterotypes - mid pack hero ! |
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Know anyone at your local track with these traits !! 
Been to loads of track days and after several track school coaching lessons and religiously studying “twist of the wrist” finally ends up to mid pack of the inters but can never quite progress any further.
Looks on in envy at the fast group convincing himself that the only reason he is not out there is because he’s only on a K4 which is no match for the new K6 & 7’s or R1s. The 600cc’s then of course have the advantage over him with higher corner speeds
Comes in after a session and immediately starts scrutinizing his tires, complains about them going off, sliding too much or not getting enough feedback when braking deep into corners.
Bitches loudly about that particular manufacturer leaving him down too many times and threatens to switch back to Pirelli next as they have released a new Supercorsa which apparently would be more suitable for his particular riding style.
Often heard talking about front end chatter and various other suspension gremlins and can be seen regularly adding and subtracting one click of front re-bound, reckons the front end is long over due for a re-build and if he had full Ohlins he would be a good 10 sec faster.
Moans about old biking injuries playing up and slowing him down which are of course due to a couple of “monster” off’s when he was younger ( ie some slow filtering incidents on his CG 125 )
Can be heard regularly telling guys who’ve had a spill that they should have “counter-steered “ “looked where you go” “gassed it ” or any other clichés which he has read about.
Talks to the faster guys about his “backing it in” technique although this is more likely due to him shitting himself on the brakes or bodgy down-shifting than any skill.
Roams the paddock looking for newbies where he will share his vast experience with them from bike set-up, tires, body-positioning etc. whilst telling anyone who seems particular gullible that he could have “made it to the top” if only his Dad had bought him a mini-moto when he was a toddler (just like Rossi)
Over time begins to believe this himself and will slowly becomes more disillusioned and bitter as he seems destined to contend with inferior machinery and tires  |
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| Posted: 19:57 - 25 Aug 2008 Post subject: |
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those the issue with tyres i have noticed which I dont think is a conincidence is track based tyres do have an advantage over road tyres I say this as anyone remotely fast on trackdays are always using the correct tyre and I havent seen one rider that was very good/fast with something road biased, actually except one but he was a retired racer which doesnt really count. |
Suspect that's more because the people that are more serious are more likely to have the decent kit, having spent the time looking into it, etc.
A few years ago when we were at a trackday at Brands they had the BMW K1200 to try out. Some of the decent people (ok they were racers) were going very rapidly that day - still top half of the fast group against other racers on their race bikes.
They were on street tyres, I think.
Race tyres give you a bit of extra room and in some cases may make a slide more savable; however at the same time they push the speed that loss of traction will occur.
The first trackday I did (novice group) I had knackered tyres on - I was still going past a lot of people, but quickly found the limit of traction, however I think this was good as I got a good idea of what it felt like, at a little less panic-inducing speeds.
In the end, the significant differences from decent tyres should really come when you're near the faster lap times; I know even when I was doing ok in minitwins with regular top ten finishes it was rare that I would consistently push the tyres, so wouldn't have lost that much having less focused rubber. Ie, I might get to the point I was getting a little slide coming out of a corner, or even occasionally going into a corner; but I wouldn't be holding it at that point where I'm at the edge of traction which is where decent tyres can make a significant difference. |
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| Posted: 19:40 - 26 Aug 2008 Post subject: |
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That was just amuzing to read  and currently i can say i gladly dont know anyone like that 
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| Posted: 21:26 - 26 Aug 2008 Post subject: |
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| G wrote: | | Deano wrote: |
those the issue with tyres i have noticed which I dont think is a conincidence is track based tyres do have an advantage over road tyres I say this as anyone remotely fast on trackdays are always using the correct tyre and I havent seen one rider that was very good/fast with something road biased, actually except one but he was a retired racer which doesnt really count. |
Suspect that's more because the people that are more serious are more likely to have the decent kit, having spent the time looking into it, etc.
A few years ago when we were at a trackday at Brands they had the BMW K1200 to try out. Some of the decent people (ok they were racers) were going very rapidly that day - still top half of the fast group against other racers on their race bikes.
They were on street tyres, I think.
Race tyres give you a bit of extra room and in some cases may make a slide more savable; however at the same time they push the speed that loss of traction will occur.
The first trackday I did (novice group) I had knackered tyres on - I was still going past a lot of people, but quickly found the limit of traction, however I think this was good as I got a good idea of what it felt like, at a little less panic-inducing speeds.
In the end, the significant differences from decent tyres should really come when you're near the faster lap times; I know even when I was doing ok in minitwins with regular top ten finishes it was rare that I would consistently push the tyres, so wouldn't have lost that much having less focused rubber. Ie, I might get to the point I was getting a little slide coming out of a corner, or even occasionally going into a corner; but I wouldn't be holding it at that point where I'm at the edge of traction which is where decent tyres can make a significant difference. |
whilst i dont disagree with what your saying G but I have read from a few magazines and been told by someone who I know personally who rode back in the world 600 superstock level, years ago, commented that track biased tyres do give you the edge over road tyres as they offer more grip everywhere once warm.
i was just giving an opinion from personal experience.
also the way I see it is, people are more likely to to go faster on track biased tyres is because people will give it more revs out of corners and carry more mid corner and entry speed if they are finding the tyres are not letting go as most people dont want to ruin there pride and joys and will back-off if they are finding the tyres are letting go.
most people tend go into corners at a speed remembering the amount revs and gear with making note of the braking marker. then when re-approaching the same corner on the next lap make small increment improvements to improve there laptimes.
if the tyres are letting go then you know to backup or make changes.
I think tyres sliding, letting go and the limits of where and how much you can push that is an art left for the pros. |
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| Posted: 07:21 - 27 Aug 2008 Post subject: |
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Well, I can’t use the tire excuse any more as I fitted some SC 2s.  |
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| Posted: 08:26 - 04 Sep 2008 Post subject: Re: track sterotypes - mid pack hero ! |
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| Deckx wrote: | Know anyone at your local track with these traits !!
Been to loads of track days and after several track school coaching lessons and religiously studying “twist of the wrist” finally ends up to mid pack of the inters but can never quite progress any further.
Looks on in envy at the fast group convincing himself that the only reason he is not out there is because he’s only on a K4 which is no match for the new K6 & 7’s or R1s. The 600cc’s then of course have the advantage over him with higher corner speeds
Comes in after a session and immediately starts scrutinizing his tires, complains about them going off, sliding too much or not getting enough feedback when braking deep into corners.
Bitches loudly about that particular manufacturer leaving him down too many times and threatens to switch back to Pirelli next as they have released a new Supercorsa which apparently would be more suitable for his particular riding style.
Often heard talking about front end chatter and various other suspension gremlins and can be seen regularly adding and subtracting one click of front re-bound, reckons the front end is long over due for a re-build and if he had full Ohlins he would be a good 10 sec faster.
Moans about old biking injuries playing up and slowing him down which are of course due to a couple of “monster” off’s when he was younger ( ie some slow filtering incidents on his CG 125 )
Can be heard regularly telling guys who’ve had a spill that they should have “counter-steered “ “looked where you go” “gassed it ” or any other clichés which he has read about.
Talks to the faster guys about his “backing it in” technique although this is more likely due to him shitting himself on the brakes or bodgy down-shifting than any skill.
Roams the paddock looking for newbies where he will share his vast experience with them from bike set-up, tires, body-positioning etc. whilst telling anyone who seems particular gullible that he could have “made it to the top” if only his Dad had bought him a mini-moto when he was a toddler (just like Rossi)
Over time begins to believe this himself and will slowly becomes more disillusioned and bitter as he seems destined to contend with inferior machinery and tires |
Was in fact an amusing read! Although very far from the truth, most guys on track days fast or slow are only to willing to help when there is a problem or you have an off and I have been lent spares to keep my bike on track a few times. There is always going to be a bit of banter and pub talk between riders but thats what comes with it I guess.
Have not had the pleasure of meeting a retard of the magnitude you described yet.
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