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Phoenix
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Lock your car, or the police will rob it Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8220274.stm

Heard this on London radio tonight, was intrigued enough to look it up when I got home.

Apparently to prevent crime and inform people about leaving cars unlocked police are, presumably, actively looking for unlocked cars (it's not exactly something you notice unless you're looking) and removing any valuables from it and leaving a note to say they can be picked up from a specific police station Confused

It's people own lookout if they're stupid enough to leave their car unlocked, where do the police get off on thinking they have the right to go ransacking cars to teach the owners a lesson. Not only is there the risk of the note that's left never reaching the owner, but also they then have to get to whichever police station took it and hope they get it all back. What's next, towing away unchained motorcycles and leaving a post-it note on the tarmac to demonstrate what could happen.

I think the police need to relearn their place, I don't see what provision there is in the law for them to start going through your vehicle just because you left it unlocked, does the law let them gut your house if you leave that unlocked?
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume they're operating under a common law responsibility to protect people's belongings - their reasoning no doubt being that people are better off traipsing to the local nick to pick up their stuff rather than having to do the same thing to report it missing.

That said, seems pointless to me - and is no doubt just a little scheme to provide evidence for someone's bid for an extra pip or some stripes.

It's only happening in Richmond - and the story suggests it's only actually happened once. The local council and the AA seem to be on board with it - but I'm siding with you on this one - it seems a bit stupid, and rather intrusive. Everyone knows they shouldn't leave their doors unlocked - if they continue to do it then this little stunt isn't going to help, let them get on with being stupid and save police time for people who deserve it.

If nothing else, it's more work for the hapless plod who have to carry out this latest headline-catching brain-fart.

If I were in the position of finding an insecure vehicle with no obvious means of finding the driver - and absolutely felt I had to do something, I suspect I'd probably just lean in, flip the central locking button and then close the door - problem solved.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not just trying to get into cars.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8222004.stm
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next they will be pulling your trousers down to check you wiped your arse properly..
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're also doing this around my area in Sheffield now. So if you see a guy with a florescent yellow coat on going round checking car door handles and removing contents from the occasional one don't worry it's all legal.

In fact you can tell by what's written on the back of my err his jacket -

'I iz jus chekin ur car for valubbubles'.

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PostPosted: 13:53 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

beatnck2 wrote:
Next they will be pulling your trousers down to check you wiped your arse properly..

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PostPosted: 23:29 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Lock your car, or the police will rob it Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:

I think the police need to relearn their place, I don't see what provision there is in the law for them to start going through your vehicle just because you left it unlocked, does the law let them gut your house if you leave that unlocked?


I agree, I think they are so used to making up the law as they go along, that they forget, that big departures from the law may get noticed.

It doesn't sound very legal to me to nick something and leave a note saying where it can be collected.

Its taking without consent ie theft.

I've got the same opinion on folk who tow away vehicles.

Unfortunately I havn't studied law, so it is only an opinion.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 26 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave valuables in your car, unlocked and you're fucking asking for it. Tools.
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 27 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Lock your car, or the police will rob it Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:

It doesn't sound very legal to me to nick something and leave a note saying where it can be collected.

Its taking without consent ie theft.



TWOC refers to vehicles, not stuff inside them.

A theft is complete where a person dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intent to permanently deprive the owner of it.

The police have a common law duty to protect life and property - although as I've already stated I think this is stretching the definition somewhat.

This glorious scheme isn't illegal, it's just plain dumb.

As I said - the article states that only one car in one borough has actually had property removed, so it's not exactly a widespread issue.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 27 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Lock your car, or the police will rob it Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:


A theft is complete where a person dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intent to permanently deprive the owner of it.


Does that mean is you intend to give something back its not theft???

Yes I did take this 42"lcd telly from my neighbours home office but I didnt intend to deprive him permanently Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 27 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Lock your car, or the police will rob it Reply with quote

powelly wrote:

Does that mean is you intend to give something back its not theft???


Yes.

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Yes I did take this 42"lcd telly from my neighbours home office but I didnt intend to deprive him permanently Very Happy


You still have to persuade a bench or jury that you didn't intend to perm. deprive. Good luck in the above scenario - one in which you'd probably be charged with burglary, not theft! Hello Crown Court!
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cant see it happening too often myself.

And its not like they are going to have the balls to do it on council estates etc.

But what happens if i come back to my tipper and there is someone leaning in the door?

First reaction would be to use "reasonable" force. Would that then get me arrested if it was a copper?

Pathetic idea, if i see someones car open can i go and take all his things leaving a note of my address with no fear of arrest?

Of course not, yet the leaders of our country. . . . Sorry i mean the police. . . can do whatever the hell they like without real fear of reprisal.

I hate this country.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Lock your car, or the police will rob it Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
You still have to persuade a bench or jury that you didn't intend to perm. deprive.

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PostPosted: 12:46 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously the police are finding catching criminals a bit tricky, so if you cant beat them join them.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of me wants to wait for them to start doing it here, then just lurk outside ASDA until the go for their lunch/snack (which there's always one unit doing so in the tiny village I live in) and leave the car unlocked as usual.
Remove any gear they leave and hand it in at the local nick as "lost property". Laughing Sure, I'd probably get a beating, but they'd also be reprimanded.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 29 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muzza wrote:
Part of me wants to wait for them to start doing it here, then just lurk outside ASDA until the go for their lunch/snack (which there's always one unit doing so in the tiny village I live in) and leave the car unlocked as usual.
Remove any gear they leave and hand it in at the local nick as "lost property". Laughing Sure, I'd probably get a beating, but they'd also be reprimanded.


Done that Embarassed

They were inside the petrol station shop (late night, walking home to mates in S.Queensferry). Car unlocked, boot contents removed to be set up around the station. Signs, cones and hi viz jacket on the statue Laughing
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