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PostPosted: 17:03 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: My bike is terminal (too expensive to repair) Reply with quote

Went to get new chain and sprockets fitted today since been putting it off for months. But disaster apparently the front drive shaft is too badly worn to replace the front sprocket and needs replacing but been told it would cost more than the bikes worth to replace the front drive shaft.

Apparently the rear sprocket had also near enough undone itself due to the front sprocket jumping about on the drive shaft and that the suspension is set on the softest setting so very bouncy.

The 2 option he said I had was either keep running it until it dies since it would cost too much to repair of do a temp fix by welding a new front sprocket onto the shaft and stiffening up the Hagon rear shock

I'm completely lost at what to do?

How expensive a job is it?
Is there a cheaper option?
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

transalp?
if so ide do it myself
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: My bike is terminal (too expensive to repair) Reply with quote

Grendel wrote:
Went to get new chain and sprockets fitted today since been putting it off for months. But disaster apparently the front drive shaft is too badly worn to replace the front sprocket and needs replacing but been told it would cost more than the bikes worth to replace the front drive shaft.

Apparently the rear sprocket had also near enough undone itself due to the front sprocket jumping about on the drive shaft and that the suspension is set on the softest setting so very bouncy.

The 2 option he said I had was either keep running it until it dies since it would cost too much to repair of do a temp fix by welding a new front sprocket onto the shaft and stiffening up the Hagon rear shock

I'm completely lost at what to do?



How expensive a job is it?
Is there a cheaper option?


Is it worn as in the splines are gone? If so weld a new front sprocket on. You'll get another 5k miles out of it.

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PostPosted: 17:14 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I would be surprised if it is that worn without there being other symptoms, and I can't see the rear sprocket coming unbolted just due to the front sprocket moving (the chain will absorb the movement).

Can you take off the front sprocket cover and take a piccy?

As to the shock, how stiff that should be will depend on your weight, etc. Adjusting it should be a simple job.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:36 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep apparently the splines have got too worn down.
someone on another forum has mentioned using chemical metal?
Since i'm fairly mechanically inept.

As for the rear shock it's a fairly new Hagon mono-shock which to ajust you need to take off apparently?
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

why cant you weld up the splines and file them down again?
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt chemical metal would be up the job of building up worn splines, but with a bit of patience and a file you should be able to build them up with weld and then file it back down to the correct profile.

If you do this, the metal and surrounding area will need to be perfectly clean and free of oil and grease, and you need to sand back the metal you will weld to until you see bright, clean metal.

Better than welding on a sprocket. If you weld it on you will have to split the cases to change the output shaft when the sprocket wears out.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because i vaguely know the right end of the spanner and not much else mechanical Embarassed Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
why cant you weld up the splines and file them down again?


To get that done it would cost more than a new shaft.It's hardened steel.

I would buy a second hand engine for it.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:

Better than welding on a sprocket. If you weld it on you will have to split the cases to change the output shaft when the sprocket wears out.


Thats sound even more expensive to repair. Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy Blake wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:
why cant you weld up the splines and file them down again?


To get that done it would cost more than a new shaft.It's hardened steel.

I would buy a second hand engine for it.


the weld isnt hardened steel, and why would you file a worn part?

it wouldnt cost much at all to get that done. probably your cheapest option.
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a shaft out of a Transalp and took it to a place to get it welded and fix the splines.The guy there gave me a price that was higher than the 210 euro I ended up paying for a shaft.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIY. a welder costs less than that.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

True except i have no idea how to use a welder.

But i do have a friend who may. But i think its a Arc welder he has. Would that still be strong enough weld?
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a bike that was worth £5-600 when a gear went inside the box. Local garage quoted me £1100 to fix it. Probably total bollocks, they just didn't want the job. Bought the gears for it for £110 and fixed it myself in a few hours.

A bike a garage says isn't worth it, isn't worth it for them. Provided the cost of fixing is less that the cost of a replacement bike i'd say do it yourself. At very least get it all appart and see what you think before buying parts. At the very least you'll learn something Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
Welding the sprocket is all well and good as along as the heat doesn't kill the output shaft seal. Then you really are fooked.


no, because you just replace the output shaft seal Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
no, because you just replace the output shaft seal Rolling Eyes


Err, except you can't as there is now a sprocket welded to the output shaft to stop you sliding the seal over it. Only way to do it would be to either cut the sprocket back off, or to do a complete engine strip to slide the seal on from the other end (in which case you would be mad not to replace the shaft then).

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:26 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:
no, because you just replace the output shaft seal Rolling Eyes


Err, except you can't as there is now a sprocket welded to the output shaft to stop you sliding the seal over it. Only way to do it would be to either cut the sprocket back off, or to do a complete engine strip to slide the seal on from the other end (in which case you would be mad not to replace the shaft then).

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:35 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:
no, because you just replace the output shaft seal Rolling Eyes


Err, except you can't as there is now a sprocket welded to the output shaft to stop you sliding the seal over it. Only way to do it would be to either cut the sprocket back off, or to do a complete engine strip to slide the seal on from the other end (in which case you would be mad not to replace the shaft then).

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:37 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i misread. i thought you meant if the splines were repaired.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Kickstart said, can we have a photo of the shaft?

A quick squirt with the mig isn't going to melt the output shaft seal. Welding on a sprocket is a mighty bodge but it need not be done just the once. It would be possible to change the sprocket by grinding back the weld. The temper of the shaft would be affected by the welding though and if the splines are completely gone the weld would be carrying the whole load of the engine.

Building up the splines with weld and filing to shape isn't that much of a bad idea, but would be a lot of work and of course the new spline tops would not be hardened. Keeping the shaft greased would help reduce wear.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 09 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try and get some pic's tomorrow.
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
what about a super bodge.

drill the output shaft with say a 10mm drill (maybe buy a few bits as its hardened), weld some thick walled tube to a new sprocket, drill the tube in the right place, fit a piece of hardened rod through both holes and weld it to the tubing on one side.

then all you have to do is cut the weld and hammer out the rod when you wnat to fit a new sprocket.


Pale And to think i was wandering how to just spot weld it on with a arc welder Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 10 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The shaft is like this.
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