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chris-red
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Wheel spindel sizes Reply with quote

What sizes do bike wheel spindals come in? Me and a mate (steven_191) bought a beed braker together and he is going to make a wheel balancer but needs to know what usual sizes wheel spindels come in to make adaptors for different sized wheels.

Also, how would you go about removing wheel weights with damaging the paint on a wheel.

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PostPosted: 19:47 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one? Come on, I expected Keith and Stinkwell to be reeling them off.

I'll start, Triumph Sprint ST Front is 25mm.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Best bet is to get a list of various wheel bearings used on different bikes and from that get the inside diameters. From an old catalog they are all either 10mm, 12mm, 15mm, 17mm, 20mm, 22mm, 25mm or 30mm (that last one is quite possibly only used for sprocket carrier bearings).

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PostPosted: 20:01 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the front of newer KTMs are 26mm, while the pre 2003 ones are 20mm. Some LC4s and the bigger CCMs use 16mm at the front I think. Trying to think if I've got any bigger than 26mm; suspect up to around 30mm (the GSXR uses a 36mm nut at the rear). CRM is pretty small.

I'd just go for some cones to tighten in either side, though it seems you don't need to worry too much for balancing as it's just a case of being able to spin freely.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For removing wheel weights wrap some insulating (or similar) tape around the blade on a flat blade screwdriver then carefully prise the weights off.
Be careful though, its easy to pull of some paint along with the weight so just be aware. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

you could just make 2 tapered points that way it doesnt matter what size the bearings are
https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/hmmmnz/balancer.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the second option we figured getting the right sizes will make it more stable
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
you could just make 2 tapered points that way it doesnt matter what size the bearings are

That's what I was getting at, but personally I'd have them so they slide along a rod or threaded bolt rather than two separate ones.
Have them so that you can tighten them reasonably.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 23 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

On professional balancers they just have 2 cones as in hmmmz's pic on a threaded bar with a nut behind so you can clamp the wheel in tight. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
hmmmnz wrote:
you could just make 2 tapered points that way it doesnt matter what size the bearings are

That's what I was getting at, but personally I'd have them so they slide along a rod or threaded bolt rather than two separate ones.
Have them so that you can tighten them reasonably.


yeah that would be alot more stable, a 14mm threaded rod would work nicely

https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g257/hmmmnz/balancer2.jpg
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:

yeah that would be alot more stable, a 14mm threaded rod would work nicely

Unless they were the 10mm ones Kieth mentioned Smile. Suspect the front for the DNA 125 was under 14mm.


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PostPosted: 00:48 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only trouble i thought with having tapered ends would be that it would be too easy to over tighten it, but not tight enough and the wheel could move about.


if the part is in steps then it could slot into the bearing and not go anywhere.

i agree the tapered idea is easy so long as it isnt too much hassle to set up. although how often do you balance wheels at home??

just need some ultra mega low friction bearings and the rest is easy
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PostPosted: 01:55 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

steven_191 wrote:
the only trouble i thought with having tapered ends would be that it would be too easy to over tighten it, but not tight enough and the wheel could move about.


if the part is in steps then it could slot into the bearing and not go anywhere.

i agree the tapered idea is easy so long as it isnt too much hassle to set up. although how often do you balance wheels at home??

just need some ultra mega low friction bearings and the rest is easy


how could you possibly over tighten it??
you would be tightening against your wheel bearings,
and between your wheel bearings there is a spacer,

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Unless they were the 10mm ones Kieth mentioned Smile. Suspect the front for the DNA 125 was under 14mm.


well there is that, Very Happy 12mm threaded rod
the distance between the 2 tapers isnt huge, so probably wouldnt need a hell of a lot of strength
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i was thinking about 10-12mm rod, cut 2 tapered parts and then secure them with grub screws. you would only really ever need to remove one.

id like to make it all out of stainless as well so it dont go rusty.

ill put up a thread when i get round to doing it.


the reason i was thinking of overtightening was because of a threaded rod. instead a straight rod and grub screws would be a perfect fit everytime. probably. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only 'issue' to overtightening would be if your cone caused damage - otherwise wheels are designed to be tightened pretty tightly.

I doubt grub screws would manage to hold it quite so well, not that it really matters and it would be quicker to release.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Would depend on the cones. Make them too "sharp" and the stand a chance of jamming into the bearings.

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PostPosted: 18:57 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

im doing a cut of 30 degrees and see how that goes. i realised about the tightneing up, it will easily take the pressure.

at the minute ive got a legnth of silver steel (1/2") and have cut and reamed a 1/2" hole in a test piece, and its a sexy fit. that should be accurate enough


was also thinking about grinding or milling a flat into either side of the shaft for the grub screws so that it wont damage the surface that the parts will be running on and it really is that close a fit it will bind. i had to clean up the shaft with some dishwashing cloth to get the surface clean enough for it to fit lol.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This idiot passed his CBT today, congratulations loser Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 19:30 - 26 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfect apparently....... i even gave the instructor directions lol
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

making a thread in the show and tell or this now
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