Fastest round the nurburgring

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600cc bike or a F1 Mclaren car?

discuss.

[Mr.Everready]

Who's riding the bike and who's driving the car ?
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[Faldo]

If we're talking the full track probably the bike as the F1 car will struggle for grip as it's too bumpy. On the short track that's used for racing F1 car hands down.

[Bishbash]

I would lean towards the car winning as there are too many bends for the car to get an advantage.
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[iooi]

Top gear reported that the new Ferrari road car. Was actually faster round the track that the F1 lap record....

Then added that the track is now shorter

I would expect a F1 car to beat even the Moto Gp bikes in a like for like race.
So unless the F1 car is being driven by someone like Richard Hammond, then its a no brainer.....
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[c_dug]

Do you mean F1 McLaren (Jenson Button's F1 car) or McLaren F1 (1990's supercar)?

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Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times
Note it has some general information about a BMW F1 car being taken around.

In almost all situations a F1 car will easily beat a moto-gp bike - take a narrow twisty circuit with a fair number of slower sections and the bike may start to have the advantage due to the lines it can take. You could design a section that would be a straight line for a bike, but a constant weave for a car.
Faster sections and the car's massive downforce can give it a lot better cornering and late braking.

[Kickstart]

Hi

Assuming you mean McLaren F1 road car and a 600cc road bike with roughly equivalent driver and rider, then I doubt the bike would see which way the car went.

Looking at the link G posted, best lap time for a bike is 7m 17s for a heavily tweaked GSXR600. About the same as a Porsche GT2 manages on a 1.5 mile longer version of the same track.

All the best

Keith
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The car would destroy it.

[Spit-Fire]

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What Ferrari - the 599xx? Not road legal and still doesn't come that close to the SR8LM which is a road legal car you can buy. Don't think it's got any 'record' accept in Ferraris marketing department .

I very much doubt any bike can get near those kind of times over that circuit due to the physics of a bike cornering and braking into corners versus a car with lots of downforce.
The power to weight of the Radical with driver is going to be similar to the power to weight of a BMW S1000RR with rider, yet it has a lot better aerodynamics(I presume)/down force.

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[Frost]

When you look at the performance difference from say a ferrari 360 to a ferrari GP car, the GP car generally has lap times about 75% of that of the road car. As road cars can lap in around 7.3 minutes i would expect a GP car to do it in about 5:15.

Nick heidfeld lapped in about that time when he did a few demo runs there few years back, though they weren't officially timed.
7:45 on an RC30 seems to be the only comparable lap time in the same track layout.

The F1 lap time top gear were talking about it the old F1 lap record from when the race was last held there. The track has been improved since then and tire technology etc has also come on alot.

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[Kickstart]

Hi

Don't think the ring has been used for real racing since long before WSB came into being.

As to a GSXR1000 vs a Caterham, sounds rather like comparing a Supermoto to a Zonda.

All the best

Keith
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[Alexio]

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To be honest I think its a non contest. Just look at lap times for somewhere like Catalunya. F1 car is a full 20seconds a lap quicker than a MotoGP bike, thats over a distance of around 4.5km.

Thats a massive difference over just a few miles. And thats an elite bike, not some standard 600.

Take a close look at Silverstones lap times this weekend and compare them to the gp times from a few weeks back.

I know were talking the Nurnburgring here, but it pretty much still applies. The F1 car would trounce the bike.

Its down to cornering speed, downforce, and the massive advantage it would have in the braking zone I reckon. I dont know any facts and figures but I bet a F1 car could do 200 to 0 in less than half the time a gp bike could.

Just my 2

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[ajbsmirnoff]

Didn't Fifth Gear do a back to back drag race of Jenson Button's Honda F1 car, a power boat and a bike, the F1 car made them all look quite shabby (despite a slow start, and it being a Honda F1 car). The power/weight matched up to the mechanical and aerodynamic grip make F1 cars a bit tasty in both a straight line and round a corner.

And they fly if you're Australian.

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