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 Posted: 09:44 - 14 Aug 2004  Post subject: Speed camera rules 'to be eased' ! |
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Topic is not what it seems  
Read more below...... (via the link).
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3564128.stm
Richard Brunstrom, head of road policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers, told the Times: "We have a particular problem with motorcyclists slowing down for the cameras but then speeding up and dying on the next corner."
"We need to keep people's speed down along the whole stretch of road."
He acknowledged the death rate on British roads had not been cut despite there being around 6,000 cameras already in use. |
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| Posted: 09:59 - 14 Aug 2004 Post subject: |
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Hi
Matching article from The Times:-
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Police win battle for more speed cameras
By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent
RULES governing the use of speed cameras are to be relaxed to let police enforce the limit on stretches of road where there have been no crashes. Police chiefs have complained that the existing rules are too restrictive and force them to wait until people have been killed or injured before they can take action.
Motoring groups have accused police of being obsessed with cameras and ignoring other, more effective ways of reducing casualties on the roads.
The number of camera fines has increased from 400,000 in 1998 to two million last year. But the number of road deaths has remained about 3,400 a year. Last year it rose slightly to 3,508.
Under the revised rules, the maximum distance covered by a "mobile camera site" will be extended from 5km (three miles) to 20km.
Police must still prove that the route has a history of road casualties, but they will no longer be restricted to enforcing the limit in the immediate areas where the crashes took place.
Richard Brunstrom, the Chief Constable of North Wales, said: "We have a particular problem with motorcyclists slowing down for the cameras but then speeding up and dying on the next corner.We need to keep people's speed down along the whole stretch of road."
Mr Brunstrom, who is head of road policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers (Apco), said that the rules had encouraged people to believe they needed to obey the speed limit only near accident blackspots.
Speaking to The Times, he said: "We are in danger of giving the view that it doesn't matter where you speed as long as you don't speed in areas where people have been killed. The whole concept of obeying the law has been diluted. In Victoria, Australia, they enforce wherever and that has been more successful in changing attitudes."
Mr Brunstrom admitted that Britain's existing 6,000 cameras had failed to cut the overall death rate. "We have got cameras at almost all the identifiable casualty hotspots and yet deaths haven't gone down because they are happening elsewhere," he said.
Mr Brunstrom added that he had already taken advantage of the new rules, which are still in draft form, to catch speeding motorcyclists on the A5 in North Wales.
"We are hiding behind road signs and walls. We are not trying to trick people, but we are saying: 'You don't know where we will be.' "
The RAC Foundation said it accepted that camera rules should be more flexible, but Edmund King, the foundation's executive director, added: "We are concerned that the police are putting all their eggs in one basket. Rather than being so obsessed with cameras, they should look at other measures to improve road safety. The answer is often to make a hidden junction safer rather than use cameras to catch drivers."
Mr Brunstrom is also lobbying for the abolition of the rule which requires police to demonstrate that the vast majority of cars break the speed limit on a road before they can deploy a camera.
He believes that this prevents forces from targeting roads where the danger comes from the occasional reckless driver breaking the limit by a large margin.
There have been 400 crashes on the A127 in Essex in the past three years, many involving young people in sports cars driving well above the speed limit. But the road does not qualify for camera enforcement because the average speed is not high enough.
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| Posted: 13:29 - 14 Aug 2004 Post subject: |
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But it's not just motorcyclists that do this? I see cars do it as well. They slow right down for the camera and then hit the accelerator straight after. What is it with the bullying from the police that goes on? It isn't just the bikers the cars are just as bad.
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| Posted: 13:41 - 14 Aug 2004 Post subject: |
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Hi
They can pretty much put the signs where they want. They must be where they intend to use cameras, but that pretty much means they can put a camera there once a decade.
Basically they have found a loophole in the rules on signing cameras. If they cover all the roads with "warning" signs then the signs will be ignored.
Personally think all the scamming murderers who work for the scamera partnerships should be, at minimun, prosecuted for wasting police time  .
All the best
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Posted: 14:17 - 14 Aug 2004  Post subject: |
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| Klause wrote: | I've seen so many cameras that break those rules, does that mean you can't get done by those cameras? |
No, it just means that they cannot claim back the fines from these cameras (not that they don't claim the fines back still, and not that the treasury actually bothers to audit them to check if they are telling lies).
By the way, this might interest you:-
https://www.acpo.police.uk/policies/rpet.pdf
Guidelines for using radar guns. Note on page 40 it says:-
| Quote: | Never point a speedmeter at a civil or military aircraft, vessel or armoured vehicle. Many military aircraft, vehicles or vessels have target acquisition detectors, some of which initiate automatic counter measures. |
On page 71 it says about cameras:-
| Quote: | Police forces must liase closely with highway authorities and other members of casualty reduction partnerships in respect of proposed installations. Any location where static or mobile camera enforcement is to be used must be chosen on the basis of the following factors:
?a recognised KSI collision problem
?the causes of the KSI collisions, or a major factor in the severity of injury,must be illegal excess speed or red light running
?a robust review of the site and surrounding roads indicates enforcement is the best available option with the sole intent being to reduce casualty figures by means of influencing driver behaviour. |
Page 77 says this:-
| Quote: | Visual identification of the offender?s vehicle should be verified by confirming make and colour against the records maintained by DVLA or PNC. |
And I know they do not do this as we received a ticket for a very unusual can that had not been used on the road for 6 months, and I would be almost totally certain that they had not taken a picture of another car of the same model.
All the best
Keith
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