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PostPosted: 00:43 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Honda CB250 on CBT? Reply with quote

Hi all,

One of my lady friends has a father who is very much into biking and he has been restoring an old Honda CB250, she wants to do her CBT and start riding.

One thing keeps popping into my mind, the CB250 which must be fairly old, will it be low-powered enough to be legal to ride on a CBT and provisional licence?

IIRC my Honda Xr125 had about 15bhp, if a CB250 starts off with 21ish surely it must be around 15.

Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: 00:48 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not on a CBT, that only allows you to ride up to 125cc, if you want to ride any bigger bikes then you ned to pass the bike test as well
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ What he said.

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PostPosted: 03:28 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Honda CB250N 'Super Dream' stopped being Learner Legal in 1982, when they introduced the 125 learner laws.
Don't matter how much power it doesn't make, its TOO BIG.
Would have to do full suite of tests, CBT, Theory/Hazard, Mod 1 & Mod2, to get a licence to ride it legally on the road.
However, it would be 33bhp complient to ride on an A2 'Restricted' licence, obtained by taking the test on a 125, rather than having to do DAS.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, what part of "250 is more than 125" was confusing you? Confused

Yes, it's a daft limit: it should be power and power-to-weight like the A (restricted) and pending A2, but 30 seconds of research would tell you that the limit for L riding on a CBT is 125cc.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

250 > 125
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do people get this idea that you can ride bikes bigger than a 125 on a CBT. This has always been the case since CBT's were introduced, and there has never been so much as a hint of anything different happening.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Where do people get this idea that you can ride bikes bigger than a 125 on a CBT. This has always been the case since CBT's were introduced, and there has never been so much as a hint of anything different happening.


Probably some confusion between "provisional" and "cbt". You used to be able to ride larger machines on a provisional license with a sidewinder.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could he / she restrict it to 15bhp?

*has no idea about how restricting bikes works*
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nai wrote:
Could he / she restrict it to 15bhp?

*has no idea about how restricting bikes works*


NO!

It has to be a bike of NO GREATER THAN 125CC! You'd have to remove the engine and replace it with a 125cc engine, and tell the DVLA etc... it would be easier just to buy a 125... Jeez, how difficult a subject is this? I really despair on this... I understood these rules when I was 14 years old!!
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarmacsurfer wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Where do people get this idea that you can ride bikes bigger than a 125 on a CBT. This has always been the case since CBT's were introduced, and there has never been so much as a hint of anything different happening.


Probably some confusion between "provisional" and "cbt". You used to be able to ride larger machines on a provisional license with a sidewinder.


You still can ride a bigger bike on L plates with a sidecar of any sort.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hah, I did say I had no idea about restricting Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nai wrote:
Hah, I did say I had no idea about restricting Mr. Green


It's a misconception because of the 33bhp restriction after passing A2 Restricted license.. which is based on power rather than engine size.

This is not the case with the CBT, based purely on engine size.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

truslack wrote:


You still can ride a bigger bike on L plates with a sidecar of any sort.


Hummmm, what if you cello taped a corgi model to the side?
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha I know it was a stupid question, I was rather hoping there be some sort of loophole with engine size like there is for a restricted licence.

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PostPosted: 11:41 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nai wrote:
Could he / she restrict it to 15bhp?
*has no idea about how restricting bikes works*

Well, THEORETICALLY......
Could remove a piston! Shocked

Back in the immedietly 'post' 125 Learner laws, plenty of people tried such 'stuff', because, there just WEREN'T many second hand learner legal bikes about..... there WERE however shed loads of old 250 Super Dreams or old Air cooled Suzuki GT250's or Yamaha RD250's, abused by a succession of teen age loons, knocking about, worth very little, as learners could no longer ride them, and full licence holders didn't want thrashed crashed 'little' bikes.

The hinged 'sidewinder' wheelbarrow side car, was the more common 'cheat' to be able to ride one on L-Plates, 'out fits' exempt from L plate capacity restriction on Solo's.

Knew one lad that rode a CB900F, the 'fire Blade' of its era, on L's with a side winder attached!

Another, with half a dozen CB250's in bits in his garage, did try removing a piston.... it wasn't very successful! 250N was a sleeved down 400, and rather heavy to begin with, and as I recall, he never actually got it on the road!

Something to do with the balancer shaft.... but whether that was the Super dreams natural rattly balencer shaft chain problem, or the fact that he removed it to solve that problem, or the fact that without the second conrod & piston, the 'balencer shaft' became an 'imbalencer shaft' I have no idea.......
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, no. 250 requires that you pass an A (big boy bike) or A2 (125cc) test. Either one gets you an "A" license, but if you sit an A2 test on a 125, there's a 2 year restriction to 25kW / 33bhp (and .16kW/kg).
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Back in the immedietly 'post' 125 Learner laws, plenty of people tried such 'stuff', because, there just WEREN'T many second hand learner legal bikes about..... there WERE however shed loads of old 250 Super Dreams or old Air cooled Suzuki GT250's or Yamaha RD250's, abused by a succession of teen age loons, knocking about, worth very little, as learners could no longer ride them, and full licence holders didn't want thrashed crashed 'little' bikes.


When I finally invent a time machine I'm going to go back to the early eighties and buy up a load of 'cheap' 250 2t's and sell them here in 2011 for a VAAAAST profit.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


When I finally invent a time machine I'm going to go back to the early eighties and buy up a load of 'cheap' 250 2t's and sell them here in 2011 for a VAAAAST profit.


you'll have a job, as my time machine will be powered mostly by 2ts and you will create a paradox.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 13 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Doovy"]
Nai wrote:
This is not the case with the CBT, based purely on engine size.


Not purely, but primarily. It still has to meet the 14.7 bhp limit too.
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