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0l0dom0l0
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Will I need to remove any links, from a 15T front to a 14T Reply with quote

Considering downgearing the Fazer with a -1 tooth sprocket on the front.

Current is 15-48, so new would be 14-48.

Will I need to remove any links from the chain? It's only done 3k miles so is near the front of the adjusters.

Reckon it's worth it?
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Probably won't need to remove a link if the chain is that new.

But you won't really gain much either (if you want more umph when cruising just cruise in 5th for the same effect).

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:08 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Probably won't need to remove a link if the chain is that new.

But you won't really gain much either (if you want more umph when cruising just cruise in 5th for the same effect).

All the best

Keith


Thanks. I didn't think I would.

Yeah, wouldn't it be more practical around town or do you think I will find I will be cruising in a higher gear to compensate the extra revs?

Also just a quick question is it worth paying the extra for a Renthal? its about £5 more.

Or would this be ok?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-FZS600-Fazer-98-03-Front-Sprocket-151315-/180556360023?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a09ff6957#ht_2414wt_905
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Most of the time you can have the same effect by sitting in a lower gear. Thre will be speeds where lowered gearing will be better stock gearing, and 5mph faster might well reverse it (hence if trying for perfection on a race track you can get the gearing right for the speeds on a limited number of corners).

Around town likely just means you will be changing gear more. OK, you get more umph in 1st, but I doubt you are using all the umph you already have.

Personally I wouldn't pay the extra for a Renthal sprocket over a cheap basic JT Sprockets steel one. That said, can't tell from that listing whether it is a decent steel one or just some cheapo mild steel thing.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:50 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Personally I wouldn't pay the extra for a Renthal sprocket over a cheap basic JT Sprockets steel one. That said, can't tell from that listing whether it is a decent steel one or just some cheapo mild steel thing.

All the best

Keith


Okay, I think this looks better:

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-600-Fazer-98-03-Front-Sprocket-/170301969702?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item27a6c9d526#ht_500wt_922

Only thing is I am 33 brake so it would give me a bit more whiz in the lower gears. 15 on the front is perfect when full power.

I think I will just go for the standard one I've listed above? As you say I can't really see any advantage now thinking about it.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ordered a Sun star one from Wemoto! Standard size Smile.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't do any harm ordering a -1 sprocket as well. Try it out and see what you think. My guess is that it will be an improvement on a 33hp bike but, considering how cheap they are, may as well give it a bash and report back.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
It wouldn't do any harm ordering a -1 sprocket as well. Try it out and see what you think. My guess is that it will be an improvement on a 33hp bike but, considering how cheap they are, may as well give it a bash and report back.



Why would he want two -1 front sprockets Very Happy .
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Oldie wrote:
It wouldn't do any harm ordering a -1 sprocket as well. Try it out and see what you think. My guess is that it will be an improvement on a 33hp bike but, considering how cheap they are, may as well give it a bash and report back.



Why would he want two -1 front sprockets Very Happy .


Thought that he said he'd just ordered a "standard" one, so presumed that he didn't go for -1 Confused
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the chain still has a bit of adjustment in it, then it'll be fine to go -1 on the front sprocket.

I swap from a 16t front to a 15t front on a regular basis on my track bike depending where I'm racing.




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PostPosted: 20:45 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
Thought that he said he'd just ordered a "standard" one, so presumed that he didn't go for -1 Confused


Damn, I have committed a reading fail and retract my statement in it's entirety; I also second your advice - buy a -1 as well Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers. Might order one as well. Bit low on cash atm though.

I'll probably end up switching them for track days.

Can you use the front sprocket nut more than once?
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The nut will last a long long time, but the locking washer might fail after a "few" changes, but don't worry about that just now. You'll be my age before that happens Sad

Quick tip - get hold of an impact wrench (or pop into your local garage for one) to loosen the nut. Some of them can be tight, and I mean TIGHT... Shocked

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PostPosted: 22:08 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
The nut will last a long long time, but the locking washer might fail after a "few" changes, but don't worry about that just now. You'll be my age before that happens Sad

Quick tip - get hold of an impact wrench (or pop into your local garage for one) to loosen the nut. Some of them can be tight, and I mean TIGHT... Shocked

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Managed to get the nut off Thumbs Up

I've got a proper torque wrench that's a good 2 feet long and my dad had a 32mm socket.

Was tight though, I had something jammed through the wheel and swing arm, my foot on the break and all my weight on the bar.

Good to know the nut will last. Saves me an extra £8 every time I do the sprocket!
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 17 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as an aside, you shouldn't really use a torque wrench to loosen stuff (or so I'm told) as it knackers the calibration or something.

Never stopped me though Cool

Edit. Did you have a locking washer? If not, get one. If in doubt, do a search on a bike specific forum to see what folks recommend.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 18 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
Just as an aside, you shouldn't really use a torque wrench to loosen stuff (or so I'm told) as it knackers the calibration or something.

Never stopped me though Cool


Whooops. I'll remember that then.

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Edit. Did you have a locking washer? If not, get one. If in doubt, do a search on a bike specific forum to see what folks recommend.


Yeah the nut came with a washer. I'll replace that every time I do the sprockets but hoping it won't be for a while yet!

Will it damage the new chain by using it to tighten the front sprocket nut up? Doesn't say anything about it in the haynes manual so I guess its no different front doing an aggressive launch?

Karma will be dished out appropriatly when I get home from work!
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 18 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tighten up the nut with your foot on the back break. Remember to flatten the washer against one face of the nut (to "lock" it) and check it again after a couple of hundred miles, just to be safe.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 18 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
Just tighten up the nut with your foot on the back break. Remember to flatten the washer against one face of the nut (to "lock" it) and check it again after a couple of hundred miles, just to be safe.



This is why I love pit bike engines, and a lot of Kawasaki's share the same idea.

The sprocket "floats" on the output shaft.
My little CRF50 has a basic circlip holding the sprocket on.
My mid-size 160 has a little ring clip, with 2 m6 bolts holding it on.
Nice and easy. Smile
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 18 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
Will it damage the new chain by using it to tighten the front sprocket nut up?


Nah it'll be fine Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 18 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta love Wemoto! Sprocket arrived today.

I had a quick look and got everything on, tightened up the nut. 2 things:

A: The nut doesn't feel very tight at all compared to how hard it was to loosen it, is this right?

B. I can't get the pre bend tabs on the lock washer to align with the edges of the nut. Do I just bend them over anyway? Or is there an easier way?

Thanks for all your help people!
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 19 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, finished it off today. All gone well I think.

Is this rivet link battered enough on the top?

https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img00071-20110619-1514.jpg

Finished article:

https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/img00066-20110619-1512.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 19 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Clean bike Very Happy

Impossible to say about the rivet from a pic, but try prising it off and see if there's any play in it. Keep an eye on it anyway. Better safe than sorry.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 19 Jun 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
Wow! Clean bike Very Happy


I do like to keep them tidy. This one is annoying me though, the paint is flaking off the engine. Going to re-paint it over the summer. I have bike and car cleanliness OCD Laughing

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Impossible to say about the rivet from a pic, but try prising it off and see if there's any play in it. Keep an eye on it anyway. Better safe than sorry.


Okay, no worries. It's certainly not coming off. Took it out for a good ride, had to re-adjust the chain when I got back but it feels lovely Smile.
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