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PostPosted: 14:00 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Calculating rent increase - fair? Reply with quote

I am confusing myself the more I try and make sense of this, so am hoping somebody here can help. Amazingly, Google is crap and full of conflicting advice.

2 years ago my rent was set at £675 per month. They wanted to charge £700, but the letting agent advised them to charge less, and stipulate that we must pay the costs of redecorating (badly needed!).

2 years down the line, surprise, they have increased the rent to £725 a month. That's a 7.5% increase. I thought that was excessive considering we do all the work on the house ourselves and they have spent £0 in the 2 years we have been there.

So I had a look around at similar properties and it seemed that actually £725 is about right. However, we are still damn good tenants and I think deserve a break because of that.

So that 7.5% increase... apparently rent is calculated on RPI, which from May 2010 to May 2011 is at 5.2%. So that's the figure I plan on offering to pay. (£708). Except that 5.2% is inflation for a single year. I need it for 2 years. Do I also need to add inflation from 2009 to 2010?

Am I getting this right?

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PostPosted: 14:15 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

RPI has been about 5% for 2 years, so your £675 rent should now be £675 x 1.05 x 1.05 = £744.

Sorry, those are the numbers.

And sorry again for the obvious question, but have you considered buying? You may look at it now and think you can't afford it, but the amount you pay on a mortgage isn't going to keep rising, and you'd be buying equity rather than pissing an ever increasing amount of money away for no return.

Do the sums, at 5% rent increases:

2011 £725
2012 £761
2013 £799
2014 £839
2015 £881

At what point does having taken out a fixed mortgage start to pay off?
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: Calculating rent increase - fair? Reply with quote

schooleydoo wrote:
I am confusing myself the more I try and make sense of this, so am hoping somebody here can help. Amazingly, Google is crap and full of conflicting advice.

2 years ago my rent was set at £675 per month. They wanted to charge £700, but the letting agent advised them to charge less, and stipulate that we must pay the costs of redecorating (badly needed!).

2 years down the line, surprise, they have increased the rent to £725 a month. That's a 7.5% increase. I thought that was excessive considering we do all the work on the house ourselves and they have spent £0 in the 2 years we have been there.

So I had a look around at similar properties and it seemed that actually £725 is about right. However, we are still damn good tenants and I think deserve a break because of that.

So that 7.5% increase... apparently rent is calculated on RPI, which from May 2010 to May 2011 is at 5.2%. So that's the figure I plan on offering to pay. (£708). Except that 5.2% is inflation for a single year. I need it for 2 years. Do I also need to add inflation from 2009 to 2010?

Am I getting this right?

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You've allowed your landlord to be liable for no repairs? You incredible mug. Rolling Eyes Sorry, but that's beyond daft.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough, one of our client firms wrote a bit about that sort of thing earlier today!

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Also, I agree with Hetzer - don't let them wriggle out of repairs unless they're letting it to you at cost.

If they play silly buggers, invoice them for the cost of the decorating and the value you've added to the property.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
RPI has been about 5% for 2 years, so your £675 rent should now be £675 x 1.05 x 1.05 = £744.


A straight up 10% increase is what I was afraid of. I suppose I ought to keep quiet Laughing

Ah well, it's more of an incentive than ever to keep saving for that deposit (which should be a little easier soon with this new job). That's the answer to your second question unfortunately... it has been our plan for a few years, but any lump sum we manage to save for a deposit usually ends up being spent on car repairs etc.

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Hetz, no that was badly explained on my part. We agreed when we would move in that we would redecorate (paint the walls, once!), on the condition that our rent is reduced by £25 per month. Our landlord is liable for repairs, but I would rather spend a short time doing it myself (and learning how to in the process) than take an entire day off work to watch somebody else do it. I'm talking replacing tap washers, rehanging doors etc. Nothing serious, or expensive.

multijoy wrote:
Funnily enough, one of our client firms wrote a bit about that sort of thing earlier today!

Linkified so as not to be too spam-like


Even more of a coincidence, I am in St Albans. Thanks for the link , but it seems the best thing to do is take it on the chin and be grateful its not more. Good to know there is an assessment committee though.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rent increases as a percentage is one way of looking at things, but the truth is a property is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So what should be done is a survey of similar rented property in the area and pricing according to that. A 5% increase would be fair in a prosperous town, but try that one in the valleys of south wales and you're going to have a lot of homeless people very quickly!
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in your position about 4 years ago, though fortunately the circumstances allowed me to stick two fingers up at the landlord and get a mortgage, which actually ended up cheaper than the rent would have been after his proposed increase.

You could actually get a mortgage at 95% loan to value ratio at the time. You are lucky to get 75% now as a first time buyer.

I didn't even pay him the full months rent for when I left, but pro rata the actual amount of days I had stayed there (17 if I recall) that month. to the penny, in cash. Tenancy agreement long expired, so there were sod all he could do. Never gave him a desposit either, so there was nothing for him to steal.

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Hetz, no that was badly explained on my part. We agreed when we would move in that we would redecorate (paint the walls, once!), on the condition that our rent is reduced by £25 per month. Our landlord is liable for repairs, but I would rather spend a short time doing it myself (and learning how to in the process) than take an entire day off work to watch somebody else do it. I'm talking replacing tap washers, rehanging doors etc. Nothing serious, or expensive.


That is fine as long as it is a matter of convenience to you. As soon as it becomes a burden I would knock it on the head. Same goes for decorating.

I would still invoice landlord for the parts, as it will no doubt be a saving overall for him.

Most important thing I learned from renting is that landlords are not your friends, no matter how nice and easy going it might start. Always treat it as a business transaction, no need to be an arse, but keep yourself covered.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

schooleydoo wrote:
Even more of a coincidence, I am in St Albans. Thanks for the link , but it seems the best thing to do is take it on the chin and be grateful its not more. Good to know there is an assessment committee though.


So am I, and it's not a cheap place to buy property
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it going up, when interest rates for mortgages are lower now than 2 years ago? It's not costing the landlord more now than it was 2 years ago, so it's just a money making exercise - offer him £700.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried renting in St-A last year (ended up buying in WGC for £100/month less!).

It was a nightmare. Properties would be up for £750/month (2 bed maisonette), we'd phone up to agree to this and we'd be played off against other parties interested. We'd then be asked to pay £800 & sign up for a 12 months contract.

Landlords have the market by the balls, especially in this area, so suck it up and tray and claim back as much financially from them as possible for repairs / maintenance!
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:

You could actually get a mortgage at 95% loan to value ratio at the time. You are lucky to get 75% now as a first time buyer.

Fortunately 95% are starting to slowly trickle back.

Me and the missus have just opened a "Save to buy" savings account with Nationwide where you save up money over 6 months to 3 years and that at the end of it you can get a mortgage at 95% LTV. Hopefully should have £15000+ saved up over 3 years so might just be able to scrape a 5% deposit up in Bristol. Rolling Eyes

Jon - Sick of dumping £780/month into landlords pocket.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much did you spend on your wedding again? Smile
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
How much did you spend on your wedding again? Smile

£12,000!

But it did snow, so was all worth it! Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Why is it going up, when interest rates for mortgages are lower now than 2 years ago? It's not costing the landlord more now than it was 2 years ago, so it's just a money making exercise


Well, quite. That's the point, isn't it? Landlords use rent as their income, and they need it to keep going up in rate with inflation or they're losing out.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 06 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonny Bravo wrote:
£12,000!


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PostPosted: 02:21 - 10 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonny Bravo wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
How much did you spend on your wedding again? Smile

£12,000!

But it did snow, so was all worth it! Laughing


Ha.
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