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Flemy
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Motorway, L Plates and Commuting... Reply with quote

Basically, on my daily commute to work I travel on the Aston Expressway which is an A-road but with a (M) after it, so I assume that this means it's classed as a motorway but it's only a few miles long, probably takes 5-10mins end to end and it's 50mph speed limit.

So, am I playing with fire here waiting to get pulled for driving on the motorway risking points,fine and ban? Or as it's 50mph and only a short stretch will I be left alone?
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PostPosted: 01:40 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the 'M' is at the end of the road title (A1-M) then you will be fine, but I believe you have to stay in the left hand lane (?). You are, however, not allowed on M roads (M1, M25 etc) until you've passed your tests.

Correct me if I am wrong guys Thumbs UpSmile
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PostPosted: 01:46 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong guys Thumbs UpSmile


You are wrong.

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PostPosted: 02:05 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong guys Thumbs UpSmile


You are wrong.

HTH Thumbs Up


Fancy correcting me then? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 02:09 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:


Fancy correcting me then? Rolling Eyes


If a road is designated 'M', either as a prefix or suffix, then it's a motorway; if you're still on 'L' plates, you're breaking the law by riding on it.

Simples.
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PostPosted: 02:15 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been told that you can go on M roads with the M at the end of the title...
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PostPosted: 02:37 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I've always been told that you can go on M roads with the M at the end of the title...


Then, if you're on 'L' plates, you were taught wrong.

M=Motorway= no 'L' plates..............

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069862

First paragraph is what you want to read, specifically "Motorways MUST NOT be used by pedestrians, holders of provisional motorcycle or car licences, riders of motorcycles under 50 cc................".
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I've always been told that you can go on M roads with the M at the end of the title...


You're still wrong.

Well, you might be right that this is what you were always told, but if that's true, they were wrong too and you need to find better sources.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before the handbags come out, why not ask the DVLA, DfT and/or local Plod?
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Motorway, L Plates and Commuting... Reply with quote

Flemy wrote:
Basically, on my daily commute to work I travel on the Aston Expressway which is an A-road but with a (M) after it, so I assume that this means it's classed as a motorway but it's only a few miles long, probably takes 5-10mins end to end and it's 50mph speed limit.

So, am I playing with fire here waiting to get pulled for driving on the motorway risking points,fine and ban? Or as it's 50mph and only a short stretch will I be left alone?


I know the feeling!!

The bloody A167(M) in Newcastle is 1.1 mile long and subject to 50mph and at the end of it is a turn off that drops down onto to where I need to be.

Instead I need to cross the Tyne Bridge and turn off just before the Motorway bit starts and then mingle my way through the city centre.

It is stupidly annoying!
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the beginning of the road and at entrance slips it should say 'start of motorway' indicating that those in restrcited vehicles can't use it ('L's being one of those).

The (M) suffix indicates that its a previously 'A' class road that has been upgraded to the standards of a motorway (no direct juctions, property access etc).
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

GrantT wrote:
At the beginning of the road and at entrance slips it should say 'start of motorway' indicating that those in restrcited vehicles can't use it ('L's being one of those).

The (M) suffix indicates that its a previously 'A' class road that has been upgraded to the standards of a motorway (no direct juctions, property access etc).


+1 to this.

A1 turns into a Motorway near my house and has the sign with all the restrictions on it. No you may not use it on Ls.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

to add, if you read a copy of the 'know your signs' document that accompanies the highway code, you will notice that 'motorway' signs are all in blue.

From my vauge recollection of the Aston Expressway, all the signs are blue (its been a few years).

If they were green signs then it would have been an 'A' class road
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the bit you want to ride on, what colour are the signs? If they're green you might be ok, if they're blue you cannot ride on that section.

Either way, it's worth checking it out, I'd follow Rogerborgs advice and check with plod or DVLA/DFT.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I've always been told that you can go on M roads with the M at the end of the title...


As others have stated, you have been given the wrong information/advice.

Any road with an M in its designation, whether it be at the beginning or the end, is a Motorway and therefore there are restrictions in place.

There are a number of specific offences which could result in loss of licence, fine or both regardless of how long the stretch of Motorway is or how far you have travelled if you are not allowed to be on that road.

Also be aware that there are an increasing number of A class roads (Dual Carriageways) which are not Motorway classification, but Motorway rules apply, for example the A58 in north Wales.

The signs make it quite clear that Motorway rules apply and certain classes of vehicle are prohibited, but many assume that because they use green arterial route signs that any vehicle is allowed to use it.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
Fancy correcting me then? Rolling Eyes


I did correct you, you're wrong.

The 'M' stands for motorway, there are signs at the beginning of them that restricts traffic use, how much more do you want?


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PostPosted: 11:06 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay sorry guys - Wrong here. Laughing My bad.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Motorway, L Plates and Commuting... Reply with quote

Nick 50 wrote:
The bloody A167(M) in Newcastle is 1.1 mile long and subject to 50mph and at the end of it is a turn off that drops down onto to where I need to be.

Instead I need to cross the Tyne Bridge and turn off just before the Motorway bit starts and then mingle my way through the city centre.

It is stupidly annoying!


I'm going to be living in Newcastle come March so I'll probably have this same problem until may when I get a big bike

Also, thanks guys. At least before I was happy and ignorant now, I'm going to have to find another way home... hmmm.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Motorway, L Plates and Commuting... Reply with quote

Flemy wrote:
Nick 50 wrote:
The bloody A167(M) in Newcastle is 1.1 mile long and subject to 50mph and at the end of it is a turn off that drops down onto to where I need to be.

Instead I need to cross the Tyne Bridge and turn off just before the Motorway bit starts and then mingle my way through the city centre.

It is stupidly annoying!


I'm going to be living in Newcastle come March so I'll probably have this same problem until may when I get a big bike

Also, thanks guys. At least before I was happy and ignorant now, I'm going to have to find another way home... hmmm.


Embarassed Sorry mate but plod will say ignorance is no defence Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 16 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Motorway, L Plates and Commuting... Reply with quote

Flemy wrote:


I'm going to be living in Newcastle come March so I'll probably have this same problem until may when I get a big bike

Also, thanks guys. At least before I was happy and ignorant now, I'm going to have to find another way home... hmmm.


If you're going to Heaton from any of the hospitals (did I read that you were working in a hospital?) then you can very easily avoid the A167(M), if you're bored when you get up here I'll take you on a blast round the city to show you all the routes in and out avoid the motorway Smile
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I've always been told that you can go on M roads with the M at the end of the title...


As others have stated, you have been given the wrong information/advice.

Any road with an M in its designation, whether it be at the beginning or the end, is a Motorway and therefore there are restrictions in place.

There are a number of specific offences which could result in loss of licence, fine or both regardless of how long the stretch of Motorway is or how far you have travelled if you are not allowed to be on that road.

Also be aware that there are an increasing number of A class roads (Dual Carriageways) which are not Motorway classification, but Motorway rules apply, for example the A58 in north Wales.

The signs make it quite clear that Motorway rules apply and certain classes of vehicle are prohibited, but many assume that because they use green arterial route signs that any vehicle is allowed to use it.


In such circumstances, it would not be reasonable to expect someone still in the process of learning the roads to know this. For example, someone riding a 125 with CBT.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ Does the CBT not cover the Highway Code and a recommendation to get intimately acquainted with it?

Ignorance is no defence.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Before the handbags come out, why not ask the local Plod?

You're so funny. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 17 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:


In such circumstances, it would not be reasonable to expect someone still in the process of learning the roads to know this. For example, someone riding a 125 with CBT.


Rubbish. All your comment does is reinforce the need (for inexperienced riders in particular) to read, learn and digest the Highway Code and pay attention to the information that is available for all to see.

But then even experienced riders very rarely bother to pick up the Highway Code once they have passed their theory test, so there is no excuse.
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