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I upgraded my suspension, forks, and got braided hoses as well as a few other tweaks...enjoyed my ride 2001 - 2010.
Sold for an absolute song...needed a fair bit of work doing to get her singing and dancing and back into decent spingley spangley shape though...
I don't think they are a bad ride if you don't intend on going so fast, but do intend spending a wee bit of money upgrading shoddy Suzuki finishes though.  ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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The SV would be better restricted for the low down grunt which you could still used as opposed to the high up power of the 4 which the restrictions will significantly reduce access to.
Also the SV will be more than substantial for you, like frost said. Mine has bog standard suspension and I've had experienced riders ride it and be very impressed with its handling, so it's not like its just me, I'm restricted and after a year and a half I'm only considering getting another bike because I have 2 of them.
Most of the people who gave me positive info on the SV were people who had come from high performance bikes or moved up to, but still enjoyed the SV, and complemented it enough to make me get it.
To a sports bike owner the SV will seem slow, but to you i'm sure it'll be easily enough to put a smile on your face.
Have a buy of bike magazine this month, they've got a test between all '99 spec SV, Bandit, Fazer6, and Hornet, very good test , and it will give you some good info on all 4 bikes, which are ideal for your situation
HTH
Mike
*edit* I think 'slow' is incorrect, 0-60 in <5 seconds isn't 'slow', it's just not as fast as some other bikes  ____________________ '04 Yamaha WR450F
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First off, the SV doesn't have "low down grunt" - it's just that it doesn't make decent power at the other end!
Secondly, at 33hp, which bike will be making more power?
Then at 15hp, which bike will be making more power?
It will be geared lower than sports bikes as stock - I'd always suggest re-gearing a 100hp+ bike if restricting it to 33hp. |
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| G wrote: | First off, the SV doesn't have "low down grunt" - it's just that it doesn't make decent power at the other end!
Secondly, at 33hp, which bike will be making more power?
Then at 15hp, which bike will be making more power?
It will be geared lower than sports bikes as stock - I'd always suggest re-gearing a 100hp+ bike if restricting it to 33hp. |
agree.
It'll be a perfectly fine forst big bike, but as G say's, think about gearing changes to give it more poke |
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Thats just an opinion though... the fact is the SV produces its (i'll use inverted comma's to reduce pedantic sh*t) 'power' low down and midrange, which on a restricted bike is much more useful than power at 18000000000 revs (more about 7-9k>) which on some restrictions the bike won't rev past, and if it does, will do f.a.
My restricted SV has beaten mates restricted bandits and a GSXR 750, too restricted, which I rode and was nothing short of gutless restricted. The SV will go as soon as you twist the throttle, restricted and derestricted, the other bikes need to rev up before they bullet off like a scoulded cat, and the restriction either prevents or significantly reduces said effect
Mike
*edit yes the bandit would be a perfectly fine first big bike, but the SV will also be perfectly fine.. Job done  ____________________ '04 Yamaha WR450F
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Note I'm still suggesting it's a decent enough bike for what you want and probably the one I'd choose - but that doesn't mean I like the bike myself (despite having recently got another track one).
It has it's purpose and it does it ok.
Anyway, for mrredhead:
I'm glad you used inverted commas, because that's certainly not "a fact" either .
I've attached a power graph showing a 99 SV650 and a 99CBR600 superimposed.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/99sv650vs99cbr600.jpg
Would you say either look particularly different? The basic 'graph' is actually pretty similar - the 4 cylinder bike is around 1k rpm behind, but is probably geared a bit lower per rpm, so in the real world will offer similar go at a similar speed in first gear - but will of course make more and power when the speed gets up, while the SV will have to change up.
However, even that's not really the point.
At peak power, both restricted bikes will be making 33hp.
It's likely that they will both make 15hp a similar point below that.
Why does it matter that the 4 cylinder bike has to rev to 12k rpm to hit 95hp, when a restricted bike will only be making 33hp?
The difference, in my experience, comes down more to the gearing. The more powerful bikes tend to make their 33hp over a bit shorter range, but not enough to compensate for being geared a fair bit taller.
The SV handles it better because the gearing is already pretty short as it's a relatively slow bike.
Out of interest, what bikes have you ridden in both restricted and full power form, for the same model.
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i had one as a first big bike after cbr400, loved it. if you haven't ridden something newer and more refined they're really good. you'll think it's got great suspension, race style positioning, endless power and superb brakes.
all of which is a bit of a lie but when you don't know any different it's great.
get one with a decent exhaust on it and that has been looked after. ____________________ Sahf East Winnah 4LYF
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Absolute crap. Wouldn't have one for free.
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I had an SV"s" and have to say i thought it was a great bike to learn on. i genuinely believe i learned more on the SV than i did on the ZZR6 i had before, despite the ZZR being a lot faster.
I changed the rear suspension to a Hagon Monoshock (cost about £250 i think) and had the front forks serviced and re oiled and it was fine... quick enough to have fun on, felt planted in the corners (had Qualifier RR's on) but when not in the mood to play the "Kamikaze Filtering Game" was great for plodding along and did verything it ever ad to do. I used it to commute for 18 months and couldn't think of a better bike to have done it on.
I've now got a GSXR and Tuono 1000R - The SV isn't as quick in comparison, but was light enough to throw about and have fun on, and as a first big bike you'll think it's amazing, i'm sure.  ____________________ Previous: Cub50, NRG50, TS50, YB100, CB125, NSR125, ZZR600, CBF1000, SV650s, ZX6R B1H, XT250, Mito Powered Crosser, WRF450, , FZ600, VN800, GSXR600 - Currently CB1000R |
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Why the weeping? What exactly does it prove?
I've kept up with a Fireblade with slicks (then passed when he outbraked himself) in an open class race at Cadwell when I was on a 64hp SV650 with road legal tyres.
Doesn't mean the SV is an amazing bike. Doesn't mean I was an amazing rider. Just meant my skill level was a good chunk above the rider I was following. Was with another minitwin at a similar pace - felt a bit sorry for the fireblade rider who was obviously a bit stressed by having these two loud-wet-farts droning behind him around the corners and often passing coming out of the corners. |
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Really? All I see is a leisurely bimble along the road with some opening up on the straight, really looks like they're doing 60-70mph ____________________ Stinkwheel: You have no right to free speech
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Ignore the hate for the SV, its a VERY good bike for a newbie.
As a first big bike you will not notice the cheap suspension, or under spec'd brakes for a long time to come. You will learn an awful lot on an SV, and i guarantee you this, you will not think it is slow!
I couldnt possibly comment on restricted bikes as i did Direct Access, but as a "full" power bike, the SV certainly put a smile on my face everytime i rode it.
On an average rideout you wont be that far behind anyone of the same kind of skill level whatever mid bike they are on, except on the straights, which isnt where the fun is anyway! The SV is a great bike to throw around, and is very very forgiving should you get it wrong. Granted it is not as fast as a GSXR600 or R6, CBR etc, but you wont notice that until you get to the point where your actually using all of the bikes potential.
I have just got rid of mine last month and replaced it with a YZF600R thundercat. Yes the suspension is better, brakes are better, and its a damn sight quicker than the SV was, but was the SV any less fun? No!
Ignore the Super sports elitists, as a commuter/tourer with a sporty look, cheap insurance, cheap running costs and cheap maintenance and repair costs, the SV is hard to beat tbh. |
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I used to own a 99 sv and I now own a 55 sv650
The only down side is they rust to nothing very quickly.
Let be honest its perfectly capable for the road. It can do 140mph, it can brake well if you fitted braided hoses. The only downside is the suspension is a little cheap but what do you expect for the price!? Its not bad, it is what it says on the tin.
Ive raced an sv650 last year and with sorted suspension its a lovely bike.
For the road they are blinding. Easily fast enough to get you into trouble.
Ignore everyone saying theyre slow and handle like shit. I have yet to think my sv is slow or bad round a corner and I could ride circles round most people on here, and im used to lovely smooth tracks with ohlins suspension. ____________________ follow my racing season
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