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 Posted: 23:21 - 23 Mar 2012 Post subject: Are bikes the green alternative |
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We are constantly being told that bikes make sense on today's congested roads.
There are organisations such as the MIA who spend a lot of time and money trying to coax the motoring public out of their cars and onto bikes, but on another thread, we see quite clearly that they have their work cut out, as it seems that even the people who own bikes don't really believe that, and opt for the car for the daily grind.
So where does that leave motorcycling in the grand scheme of things.
It's hard to justify bikes as a green alternative, when for most people, they exist solely for the recreational burning of fossil fuels.
Bikes are great fun, but useless for anything else as proven by some here, who prefer their cars.
Cars, even flashy expensive one's, as well as providing enjoyment for their owners, also serve a practical purpose.
Sure they might also be taken on holidays etc. but they also take people to the shops to spend and inject money into the economy.
They take kids to school so they can learn and become productive members of society.
They take people to work so they can earn money and pay tax into the treasury.
What do bikes do apart from guzzle fuel in the name of leisure ? |
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My bike does only slightly better MPG than my car, If I want to save fuel (and emissions) then I will resurrect the CG and bumble about at 90-100 mpg
The main problem is that there is nowhere secure at work for my kit, the bike would be parked in public so leaving the kit with the bike is out too, so I take the car and save the bike for fun  |
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 Posted: 08:23 - 24 Mar 2012 Post subject: Re: Are bikes the green alternative |
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| junglejim wrote: | We are constantly being told that bikes make sense on today's congested roads.
There are organisations such as the MIA who spend a lot of time and money trying to coax the motoring public out of their cars and onto bikes, but on another thread, we see quite clearly that they have their work cut out, as it seems that even the people who own bikes don't really believe that, and opt for the car for the daily grind.
So where does that leave motorcycling in the grand scheme of things.
It's hard to justify bikes as a green alternative, when for most people, they exist solely for the recreational burning of fossil fuels.
Bikes are great fun, but useless for anything else as proven by some here, who prefer their cars.
Cars, even flashy expensive one's, as well as providing enjoyment for their owners, also serve a practical purpose.
Sure they might also be taken on holidays etc. but they also take people to the shops to spend and inject money into the economy.
They take kids to school so they can learn and become productive members of society.
They take people to work so they can earn money and pay tax into the treasury.
What do bikes do apart from guzzle fuel in the name of leisure ? |
I don't get that.
Loads of people commute by bike in congested cities like say London, to suggest they have no 'practical purpose' doesn't make any sense.
They can serve as much practical purpose as a car, depending on what the owner needs and is willing to do with it.
I do the shopping on mine just as much as I do everything else, it takes me wherever I need to be as a form of transport.
Does transport need a minimum of four passenger carrying capacity to serve a purpose?
Yes some of it could also be 'leisure use' but that's not necessarily everything. |
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My daily commute and shopping run is almost always on 2 wheels, powered or otherwise. Bear in mind that any practicality argument against PTWers also applies even more against pedalists, the current apples of the ecomentalists' eyes.
| CaNsA wrote: | | whitedevil wrote: | Mythbusters proved that bikes actually put out more harmful emissions than a car. Altho you could argue that you are on the road for less time. |
Tests like that on mythbusters are very general and shouldn't be used as an example... EVER!
edit - My zxr400 does avg. 45mpg. |
Speaking of generalising, it's not all about CO2, that's just a propaganda figure.
Motorcycles were indeed more fuel-efficient than cars and emitted less of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide, but they emitted far more smog-forming hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen, as well as the toxic air pollutant carbon monoxide. For the most recent model year vehicles tested -- from the '00s -- the motorcycle used 28% less fuel than the comparable decade car and emitted 30% fewer carbon dioxide emissions, but it emitted 416% more hydrocarbons, 3,220% more oxides of nitrogen and 8,065% more carbon monoxide.
If you get a chance, watch the episode. Hyneman (and Belleci, at least) are bikers, they didn't have an agenda, and I'd trust a real world comparative test more than an easily fiddled static test. Even their aerodynamic rigged modern FI 250 didn't get close to modern cars for the non-CO2 emissions.
Now, that's under Californian emissions regs, not EU, but the trend is similar here: motorcycle emissions regulations lag a couple of generations behind cars, we do kill kittens in the immediate locality.
There's likely a good argument to be made that over construction-to-scrappage a bike is far better than a car, but since they tend to be 2nd (or 3rd or 4th...) vehicles in the UK, we might not want to stress it too much.
Anyway, I'm off to B&Q to buy some 8' fence posts. Reckon I'm taking the bike? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 316 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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