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PostPosted: 22:00 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Never ridden a bike before - got CBT booked for Friday! Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

It's my first post here but I've been trawling the threads for a while now Wink

I've had a car license for nearly 3 years but for the sake of economy I have decided to ditch my ageing Rover 100 for a sensible bike for the short commute (around 11 miles), and maybe some fun as well Smile.

I've got my CBT booked for this Friday and I'm a little nervous as I've never ridden a motorcycle before (apart from twice round a McDonalds car park on a moped about 10 years ago!). I've watched dozens of youtube videos, read guides all over the internet, because I am terrified of 'not meeting the required standard'.

The advice on the internet is great, but it's all a bit too general, for obvious reasons. I'd like to know more about your individual experiences on your CBT, bike tests etc, and any thing you picked up along the way that might help me out should I suffer in the same way. Where did you struggle and what did your instructors tell you that helped overcome your difficulties?

In terms of bike choice, I'm looking at the CBF125 primarily, I liked the look of the CBR125 but they are a bit pricey because of all the shiny plastics. I'm a little concerned about my lower back too - Is the CBF more upright? It looks like it. I'm not sure I can cope with the hunched forward position on the CBR...


It's a pleasure to meet you all and I look forward to your words of wisdom Wink
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one Thumbs Up

Don't have a sleepless night over the CBT, I managed mine when I just turned 17, never ridden a bike, no road sense and I really enjoyed it. Did it on a geared 125 (Ybr)

Just listen and try to learn as much as you can. Thumbs Up

The real learning comes when you get to take your bike out on your own Very Happy

A CBF sounds a good choice, though have heard some of the recent ones have problems with the fuel pump or something? Make sure yours is good!

Also I have to reccomend a more 'trials' or supermoto 125 if you are after an upright postion / easy handling ect..

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PostPosted: 22:47 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On another forum, there's a section where people post their experiences of their CBT's. Should be helpful to you. When I did my CBT, I was in exactly your position - I'd had a razz up and down on a mates 50cc about 25 years before. I had a blast on my CBT and within 2 months had a full license and a 650cc bike. You will not regret it, but do look at doing your tests, it opens up a whole new world.

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PostPosted: 22:59 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a good CBT too but I think the Get On session I had prior to that helped massively.
I'd never ridden a bike before either.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turkish I'm in the same boat as you Shocked
The Only difference being the fact I had myself a free 1 hour lesson before hand, last week (The same as qb78). It's a very strange feeling getting on the bike for the first time, nothing you read will sum up the feel, weight and size of it.
But like driving a car, the unfamiliar becomes familiar with practice.
Got my CBT booked in for Saturday, so let me know how you get on bud.
You can likely teach me a thing or two Razz
Enjoy!
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello mate, I'd never touched a bike before my CBt either, and I managed it. As someone else said don't have a sleepless night over it, just listen and do what the instructor tells you to do and you will be absolutely fine.

I turned up from mine, had a little chat about what we'd be riding & safety and that. Then he gave me a jacket, gloves and a helmet and we went out the back of the training school on a large area of tarmac and he told me to ride around for a few minutes, after showing me what was what on the bike and that. After that we done an emergency stop and a few other various drills before heading out onto the road. When on the road we rode for about an hour I guess with him directing me over a comms system and when we got back he said I done one thing wrong, I didn't let a bus pull out or something when it had already started too. But I passed on that mate.

As I said you'll be absolutely fine, I'm sure. Good luck.
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BusySam wrote:
Hello mate, I'd never touched a bike before my CBt either, and I managed it. As someone else said don't have a sleepless night over it, just listen and do what the instructor tells you to do and you will be absolutely fine.

I turned up from mine, had a little chat about what we'd be riding & safety and that. Then he gave me a jacket, gloves and a helmet and we went out the back of the training school on a large area of tarmac and he told me to ride around for a few minutes, after showing me what was what on the bike and that. After that we done an emergency stop and a few other various drills before heading out onto the road. When on the road we rode for about an hour I guess with him directing me over a comms system and when we got back he said I done one thing wrong, I didn't let a bus pull out or something when it had already started too. But I passed on that mate.

As I said you'll be absolutely fine, I'm sure. Good luck.


IIRC the minimum time you spend on the road should be 2 hours.

I had my CBT around a month ago. Started off with classroom stuff, then start/stop between cones in a circle. Then we were out practising u-turns, figure 8's for slow control and emergency stops, (instructor even demonstrated the difference in stopping time between using just front brake/just rear and then both as they should be used. After that hour or so we were back to the portacabin for info about junctions. The instructor had drawn a nice t-junction on the playground with chalk and we practised various versions of turning into/out of junctions.

Once we felt happy with this, we had a pre on-road briefing then set off on the mean streets of Cardiff. There were only two of us and the instructor, so we took turns leading the way while he would instruct where to go over the radio. Halfway through we stopped for a coffee and debrief where he would highlight things we needed to work on, then back on the road we went. After 2 hours or so, got back to the training ground buzzing with excitement and a shiny CBT certificate.

As others have said, listen to your instructor, and hope you get a good one as I did. My CBT started at 8am and got my cert signed off at 3:15pm. Learnt so much on the day, was money well spent I consider as a new rider.
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soberion wrote:
BusySam wrote:
Hello mate, I'd never touched a bike before my CBt either, and I managed it. As someone else said don't have a sleepless night over it, just listen and do what the instructor tells you to do and you will be absolutely fine.

I turned up from mine, had a little chat about what we'd be riding & safety and that. Then he gave me a jacket, gloves and a helmet and we went out the back of the training school on a large area of tarmac and he told me to ride around for a few minutes, after showing me what was what on the bike and that. After that we done an emergency stop and a few other various drills before heading out onto the road. When on the road we rode for about an hour I guess with him directing me over a comms system and when we got back he said I done one thing wrong, I didn't let a bus pull out or something when it had already started too. But I passed on that mate.

As I said you'll be absolutely fine, I'm sure. Good luck.


IIRC the minimum time you spend on the road should be 2 hours.

I had my CBT around a month ago. Started off with classroom stuff, then start/stop between cones in a circle. Then we were out practising u-turns, figure 8's for slow control and emergency stops, (instructor even demonstrated the difference in stopping time between using just front brake/just rear and then both as they should be used. After that hour or so we were back to the portacabin for info about junctions. The instructor had drawn a nice t-junction on the playground with chalk and we practised various versions of turning into/out of junctions.

Once we felt happy with this, we had a pre on-road briefing then set off on the mean streets of Cardiff. There were only two of us and the instructor, so we took turns leading the way while he would instruct where to go over the radio. Halfway through we stopped for a coffee and debrief where he would highlight things we needed to work on, then back on the road we went. After 2 hours or so, got back to the training ground buzzing with excitement and a shiny CBT certificate.

As others have said, listen to your instructor, and hope you get a good one as I did. My CBT started at 8am and got my cert signed off at 3:15pm. Learnt so much on the day, was money well spent I consider as a new rider.


to be honest, the way you describe it, your CBT sounds much like a schol class trip to the zoo or something! a fun learning experience that you thoroughly enjoyed.

being in a rather crappy town i can only PRAY my CBT instructor is HALF as good!
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PostPosted: 05:31 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about the CBT, just concetrate on listening and enjoying yourself. Remember, it's just a bit of training.

As for which bike, your instructors should be able to help you out. But take a look around their stock, see if there's one that you're really comfortable on. Personally, I'd try for a Yamamha YBR, or a Honda CG, pretty much perfect for taking your tests on, and great learning machines.
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PostPosted: 06:17 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relax, listen & question anything that doesn't make sense.

I did my CBT last July, consisted of a good talk to start with to make everyone familiar with a bike, bike riding and so on. Then on to the bikes doing manouvres (circling, figure 8), clutch control, braking, slow control. Then stopped for a cuppa & decided which riders were going out on the road first Mr. Green The road part was good fun, did some slow stuff in a residential area for 15 minutes or so & the instructor was happy so went out on the lanes for most of the ride. Came back into the city and did the turn in the road and rode through some city traffic. Felt confident throughout which I'm sure was massively down to the instructor I had on the day.

Enjoy the day more importantly, I've been driving a car since 1997 and have no interest in getting back into one anytime soon. My bike that I own is a shed but I still enjoy riding. Thumbs Up

Best of luck for Friday, any questions you have afterwards you can always post on here. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:06 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

secretreeve wrote:
to be honest, the way you describe it, your CBT sounds much like a schol class trip to the zoo or something! a fun learning experience that you thoroughly enjoyed.


I think that pretty much describes the CBT. Mine was great fun.

We all had a great laugh at our 16 year old star that came knee to head in his brand new set of MX gear and forgot to look where he was going at _every single turn_.
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PostPosted: 07:14 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CBT is really just a fun day and gives you a taste of what to expect as a motorcyclist, but it is long and there's a lot of information that you have to take in. What it doesn't do is give you a great deal of experience in traffic. So when you pass you're CBT, after you've absorbed everything the instructor has told you, practice slow-speed riding skills (figure 8's, U-turns, slow speed riding). These are invaluable in traffic situations. It is really easy to go fast, but harder to go slow.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry fella it's a good laugh especially if it's sunny. You'll bimble around getting used to gears and doing some slow maneuvers.

After I passed my CBT I got a Honda XR125 (as above) great bike that you can take all over! Good luck Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too went from no riding experience at all and in a month and a half I bought my 600 and haven't looked back!

Just enjoy it
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot to take in on the CBT, and far too much time wasted in the (mandatory) talky parts. Don't push yourself to complete it in a day, and remember that it's training, not a test. If you're unsure, ask. If you need to take a break, take it.

I found that after skipping the road ride and going back after a few day's break, that everything had sunk in and it got much easier.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
There's a lot to take in on the CBT, and far too much time wasted in the (mandatory) talky parts. Don't push yourself to complete it in a day, and remember that it's training, not a test. If you're unsure, ask. If you need to take a break, take it.

I found that after skipping the road ride and going back after a few day's break, that everything had sunk in and it got much easier.



i think it's really geared up for complete novices that have no road sense whatsoever. I'm a mature learner & did my CBT about a month ago. There was myself and another mature learner ( with over 50 years driving experience between us both) to one instructor.
He stated that he has to go over the details legally, but skipped them quickly once he realised that we were not road using novices.

Even so, there was a lot to take in and it was enjoyable.

I think that they tend to tailor the course to the attendees and their relative experience
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
There's a lot to take in on the CBT, and far too much time wasted in the (mandatory) talky parts. Don't push yourself to complete it in a day, and remember that it's training, not a test. If you're unsure, ask. If you need to take a break, take it.

I found that after skipping the road ride and going back after a few day's break, that everything had sunk in and it got much easier.


Couldn't agree more with this. IMO a CBT is too short at just a day, well maybe not too short, but should be split in to two days, say 4 - 6 hours for the classroom stuff and the learning to ride bit, possibly with a short road rode, then 3 hours on another day, an hour to recap and 2 out on the road, it lends itself better to the learning process.

I went back for a second day and everything felt a lot more relaxing and natural after it had all sunk in. But then I guess that's just how I learn, if im bombarded with stuff, which does happen on a CBT then it all just gets jumbled and I get flustered and nervous.

its not the learning to ride a bike that's the hard bit, its easy to make it shuffle and stop, its the whole riding safely on the road that's the challenging bit, well maybe not challenging, just more daunting than going around a penned in space, where the worse that will happen is you hit a wall down the other end, riding a bike on the road is a hell of a lot different than driving a car, the theory is the same, the roads are the same, but the experience is completely different.

But as others have said, the CBT is pretty easy, its just learning a new skill, soaking up a bit of information etc, the 'minimum standard' that you are fretting about is fairly low, and is open to the opinion of the individual instructors, I had a mini Hitler, who was rather hard, but looking back on it, I am glad it was like that rather than the having a micky mouse school that piles them high and passes
virtually anybody to save bringing people back and losing a day they could be earning.

But the real learning comes when you get out on your bike by yourself, without the instructor behind you making it harder for the twats to act like, well twats.

Just enjoy it, that first step on to getting a bike licence is a lot more rewarding than getting a car licence, even if you do have to go back to L plates Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys, thanks for your sharing your stories, I was really encouraged by them.

I am pleased to say my CBT went well and I now have a shiny new certificate Laughing

I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought and I'm really looking forward to going out on my own now. I didn't really have any problems except I forgot to cancel my indicators twice at the beginning of the ride, but the rest of it was alright. Getting a feel for the bike was good fun, I was a bit tense at first but when I relaxed and got into the swing of things I realised the bike wanted to go around corners just as much as I did.

I will confess though, I chickened out and did the CBT on an automatic rather than a manual; the instructor did offer encouragement to go for it but I was worried about getting distracted with the extra controls. It did give me time to focus more on observation and balance so I don't really regret it - I'll jut have to get the practice in before I go on the roads for real.

Thanks again for your help and advice, it helped more than you know Smile
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GO MANUAL OR GO HOME!
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I'm kidding Laughing
Got my tomorrow! Glad to hear you got on ok.
What sort of bike you looking at getting? Got my eye on two local YBR's, if the CBT goes well I'll be making a few calls ASAP Smile
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Well done mate, i've got mine on monday plus i've got a nice shiney bike of my own to look forward to for after it. Very Happy
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Rogue_Shadow wrote:
What sort of bike you looking at getting?


Originally I was thinking of a CBR but I was worried about the riding position, however I realised today that it is the upright position that makes my back hurt, not leaning, which kind of makes sense since I never have an problems when cycling.

Plus I saw a CBR today outside a shop, I'm besotted now. A guy at work is selling a 2006 model with <2000 miles, always garaged etc, hopefully we can do a deal on it.
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Bred2shred wrote:
Well done mate, i've got mine on monday plus i've got a nice shiney bike of my own to look forward to for after it. Very Happy


Good luck Smile I hope you get a good instructor like I did, it made it more entertaining and a better atmosphere.
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Turkish wrote:
I will confess though, I chickened out and did the CBT on an automatic rather than a manual; the instructor did offer encouragement to go for it but I was worried about getting distracted with the extra controls. It did give me time to focus more on observation and balance so I don't really regret it - I'll jut have to get the practice in before I go on the roads for real.


Well done on getting your certificate. However, you chickened out getting training on a geared bike, yet you're now confident enough to....

Turkish wrote:
Plus I saw a CBR today outside a shop, I'm besotted now. A guy at work is selling a 2006 model with <2000 miles, always garaged etc, hopefully we can do a deal on it.


... and do your training on the road Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 26 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turkish wrote:


I will confess though, I chickened out and did the CBT on an automatic rather than a manual; the instructor did offer encouragement to go for it but I was worried about getting distracted with the extra controls.


I'm a bit dubious about being given validation for riding a geared bike when you train on a twist and go chicken chaser. Surely, like the car test, if you do it in an automatic then you are only allowed to drive automatics.
This way, the first time you'll be dealing with the distraction of extra controls, you'll be out on the road, unsupervised.
Not that gears are THAT difficult, but if you couldn't handle them under training conditions, off-road; should you be let loose on them among the blind-fuckers in cars?
Anyway - well done on the CBT certificate, now get on and practice for your tests. Git R Done.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 04 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your comments, I can totally understand where you are coming from.

I went ahead as planned and bought a CBR125, taking a full license holding friend with me just in case I struggled getting it home. It was a bit daunting getting on it for the first time (I was thinking "shit, I actually have to ride it, now"), but the gears came very naturally as did the independent braking.

I must say I really love the bike, it feels really sturdy in corners and has more than enough poke for me. Over the last few days I've done around 100 miles in it, lots of stops and starts, roundabouts, dual carriageways and twisty turny country roads. I also did around 15 miles in the rain yesterday and learned that it's probably best to close air vents before going out in the rain Rolling Eyes.

I have a few questions if you wouldn't mind.

Firstly, engine braking - I feel like I 'should' be showing brake lights when slowing down (it's what I was told in my CBT), but when planning ahead (red light, say) in plenty of time, I normally slowly close the throttle and engine braking with downshifting is enough to slow most of the way. If I do proper observations before slowing down, would it be OK to do that on my test?

Crosswind - Especially at high speed, what's the best way to deal with it? I sort of lean into the wind a bit, but it is difficult to do when it is gusting.

On the flat, the engine seems happy between 4.5-6k RPM, below that it sounds like it's working a little harder than it should be. Is that about right?

Thanks for your help Smile
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