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 Posted: 21:45 - 06 Jul 2012  Post subject: Re: How do you deal with full time work? |
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| Alpha-9 wrote: | Hi guys
How do you deal with working day in day out?
I know you'll probably lol as there will be those of you who have worked fulltime for the last 20+ years but fuck
I've been on the grind only 2 years and I still don't get how people can bare it, we spend more time working than enjoying life, we get one day a week where we can get a decent night sleep and stay up as late as we want without having to worry about waking up early (saturdays)
How do you people not go insane?
I by no means live to work and only really work to live, I need the money, would anyone really work if they didn't have to? I'd much rather focus on things I enjoy doing, however time-wasting they may seem
Dunno, maybe there are people out there doing what they love and are super happy in what they're doing
My job is by no means bad, it's the best i've had thus far as it's dealing with people so everyday is slightly different
But shiiiiiiiiit, we're expected to go on like this forever until we die?!
The average day seems to split into 3 parts, 8 hours sleep, 8 hours work, 8 hours free time... It's just not enough
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Finding a job you enjoy helps. I've been in my supermarket job for nearly 5 years, it kills me going in every day, I hate it. There are people who have been there for 15+ years...god knows how they do it! It makes me brain dead sitting on a till all day.
Heard a saying 'find a job you like, and it won't feel like work.' Completely agree with that. Going out as a Special, doing 8/10 hour shifts for free (well, less than £15 as I get expenses) I don't care, love every second of it (yes, even the paperwork!).
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And the idea of sharing the wealth?!?! Give it a fucking rest! I didnt spend 4 years studying full time (so I could learnt the necessary skills to run a sucessful business) whilst working 30 hours a week and living on the breadline followed by 12 years working my bollocks off and risking everything with an absolute pittance of an income for the first few years whilst my gfriend gave up her career as a nurse to come and help to build up our business just to hand over chunks of it to our employees.
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So, given the idea that virtually everyone is either currency or ego driven what do you get out of it? Ego? it must be.
You don't feel like giving where it's 'nice' to and pushing your 'wealth' on your peers so you like to push the point home about how you EARNED it.
I'm not knocking the idea, I graft my ass off too to earn a living, a living that I'm comfortable in but different people have different idea and ethics - they can't always be educated to a 'successors' way of thinking. 
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I think £20k a year is a good baseline if it increases in line with inflation.
The average worker earns that after tax and before mortgage.
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They don't though, do they?
Not a lot of people get off minimum wage and not a lot people earn over 10pp/h.
I've been working since paper-round days, since I was 18 I've not had a job where the salary was above 13/14K. I've met people through work who earn 00's of thousands a year, I know 3 millionaire's socially to the point I could pop round, have a beer when I'm passing but none of my mates, friends or family earn above me or towards the point of 20K.
(and no, I dont know or feel I know them closely ENOUGH to beg for a wadge of cash to pay my recent fine; I'd happily earn that and have my dignity intact).
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I also plan to win. |
There is no "win". The more you have the more you'll want; it's like a disease. Unless you're one in ten million rare. |
So, if you plan to live comfortably and earn to cover your expenses; look after your family and cover their basic luxuries but not requiring of a 'high life' or desperate to gain money/success like a gambler then it's within range?
I hope so, that's my goal.
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| Hetzer wrote: | The enemy of contentment is human nature and until that's figured out there will be no contentment. The argument defending that reality is that without such a nature we'd still be living in caves, or at least like the north American indians. But given all that we now know, and living as we currently do, it begs the question: would that be such a bad thing? In very very basic terms, what have we achieved in 5000+ years? Little more than shinier toys. And look what we've sacrificed for them. |
An American businessman was standing at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The American complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish.
“How long it took you to catch them?” The American asked.
“Only a little while.” The Mexican replied.
“Why don’t you stay out longer and catch more fish?” The American then asked.
“I have enough to support my family’s immediate needs.” The Mexican said.
“But,” The American then asked, “What do you do with the rest of your time?”
The Mexican fisherman said, “I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take a siesta with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos, I have a full and busy life, senor.”
The American scoffed, “I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds you buy a bigger boat, and with the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats, eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats.”
“Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the consumers, eventually opening your own can factory. You would control the product, processing and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually NYC where you will run your expanding enterprise.”
The Mexican fisherman asked, “But senor, how long will this all take?”
To which the American replied, “15-20 years.”
“But what then, senor?”
The American laughed and said, “That’s the best part. When the time is right you would announce an IPO (Initial Public Offering) and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich, you would make millions.”
“Millions, senor? Then what?”
The American said slowly, “Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take a siesta with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos…” |
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| Posted: 11:18 - 07 Jul 2012 Post subject: |
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| Hetzer wrote: | | st3v3 wrote: | So, if you plan to live comfortably and earn to cover your expenses; look after your family and cover their basic luxuries but not requiring of a 'high life' or desperate to gain money/success like a gambler then it's within range?
I hope so, that's my goal. |
The enemy of contentment is human nature and until that's figured out there will be no contentment. The argument defending that reality is that without such a nature we'd still be living in caves, or at least like the north American indians. But given all that we now know, and living as we currently do, it begs the question: would that be such a bad thing? In very very basic terms, what have we achieved in 5000+ years? Little more than shinier toys. And look what we've sacrificed for them. |
Modern medicine? Science? Understanding of the world around us? Does that not count for anything?
Well they say people who live simple lives are much happier than we are. But then again we have clean water, sewage systems, electricity, internet, all the good things
So I agree, and disagree 
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| Posted: 11:53 - 07 Jul 2012 Post subject: |
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| st3v3 wrote: | So, given the idea that virtually everyone is either currency or ego driven what do you get out of it? Ego? it must be.
You don't feel like giving where it's 'nice' to and pushing your 'wealth' on your peers so you like to push the point home about how you EARNED it.
I'm not knocking the idea, I graft my ass off too to earn a living, a living that I'm comfortable in but different people have different idea and ethics - they can't always be educated to a 'successors' way of thinking.
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Im not sure what point you are making? What do I get out of what? Working hard? I get a comfortable living and the warm glowing feeling of satisfaction knowing that its self generated. Does it feed my ego, fuck yeah! Im awesome  
Seriously, I get the knowledge that my family is provided for. Ultimately what more is there? Should I take the security that my partner and myself have (and still are) worked/ing for and give it away to those who havent worked as hard? I think not.
Changing topic slightly the average UK household income is £40k.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15197860
Any household that spends £5k a year on a new car AND goes on two or three package holidays a year then bitches about not having enough money to send thei rkids to a private school wants a good slap IMHO.
Ive just sold my Transit that I bought second hand 5 years ago (for £6k) having replaced it with a second hand Vito. The works van was used as a daily driver to avoid having to buy yet another car to run alongside it (we need two vechiles to use daily) and Ive gone for a Vito because its a duel liner so can take the kids in the back but it also acts as the works van.
Our second car is a 2002 S Type Jag that we paid £4.5k for three years ago and have no plans to replace for the forseable future as its low mileage and does what it says on the tin, i.e. starts, gets us from A to B reliably and is a comfortable quiet old bus to waft round in.
We will have a few holidays this year, camping in the UK.
To pour more than 15% (after tax) of a households income on a vehicle year on year is completely inane. To then whine about not having enough money is an outright joke!
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The argument that the 'simpler life' was somehow better doesn't really stack up for me personally.
I can point to many examples in my life of experiences that wouldn't have been possible x000 years ago and that have definitely increased my quality of life.
Take motorcycles as an example. A few years ago I didn't really know they existed. Sure, I saw them whizzing about, but if they hadn't been there I would have felt no different.
Then I sat on one. I am almost more happy as a result. I have a new fun pastime (and mode of transport) that I didn't have before. One that couldn't have existed in the 'simple world'.
There are countless other examples I could point to that wouldn't have been possible with old tech and it is definitely not a matter of envy because I discovered many of these hobbies completely independently of my peer group.
In addition x000 years ago hunting for food was essentially 90% of what adult humans filled their time with. There was nothing else. Pastimes and hobbies couldn't exist. Even without having some sort of role model or 'other way' to look up to I can't see how one could reasonably claim that they'd rather spend their entire life running around with no self-imposed goal other than to possibly have children.
| Quote: | They don't though, do they?
Not a lot of people get off minimum wage and not a lot people earn over 10pp/h. |
Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom
Data is from 2004-2005 but I'd expect it to be about the same now.
10 million workers earn between £20,000-£40,000.
The median income (the income half of Britain earns less than and half more) is just about £20k on the dot.
That's including part time workers so the full time figure is higher.
I live on a council estate in the North East, that means that most of my family and friends are on sub £20k.
People of different socioeconomic status tend to bunch in this way. If you were brought up in Central London you'd probably find most of your family and friends were well off.
Anecdotal evidence is still statistical, but with a smaller, more likely to be biased sample.
Anyway, my original point was that £20k was enough. If you think most earn less than that, then that means they'd need less to retire and maintain the same standard of living. |
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| Derivative wrote: | The argument that the 'simpler life' was somehow better doesn't really stack up for me personally.
I can point to many examples in my life of experiences that wouldn't have been possible x000 years ago and that have definitely increased my quality of life.
Take motorcycles as an example. A few years ago I didn't really know they existed. Sure, I saw them whizzing about, but if they hadn't been there I would have felt no different.
Then I sat on one. I am almost more happy as a result. I have a new fun pastime (and mode of transport) that I didn't have before. One that couldn't have existed in the 'simple world'.
There are countless other examples I could point to that wouldn't have been possible with old tech and it is definitely not a matter of envy because I discovered many of these hobbies completely independently of my peer group.
In addition x000 years ago hunting for food was essentially 90% of what adult humans filled their time with. There was nothing else. Pastimes and hobbies couldn't exist. Even without having some sort of role model or 'other way' to look up to I can't see how one could reasonably claim that they'd rather spend their entire life running around with no self-imposed goal other than to possibly have children.
| Quote: | They don't though, do they?
Not a lot of people get off minimum wage and not a lot people earn over 10pp/h. |
Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom
Data is from 2004-2005 but I'd expect it to be about the same now.
10 million workers earn between £20,000-£40,000.
The median income (the income half of Britain earns less than and half more) is just about £20k on the dot.
That's including part time workers so the full time figure is higher.
I live on a council estate in the North East, that means that most of my family and friends are on sub £20k.
People of different socioeconomic status tend to bunch in this way. If you were brought up in Central London you'd probably find most of your family and friends were well off.
Anecdotal evidence is still statistical, but with a smaller, more likely to be biased sample.
Anyway, my original point was that £20k was enough. If you think most earn less than that, then that means they'd need less to retire and maintain the same standard of living. |
If you'd been born in a time of no motorbikes your feeling for them now would be irrelevant. A horse would have given you the same joy probably. Or a hawk on your arm or a good dog. Obviously, knowing bikes now you wouldn't be happy to go back to a time without them, so your point is moot.
Your 90% figure for time spent hunting, way off the mark. People had hobbies back then...carving, cave-painting, inventing spear-throwers, needles, whatever.
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I earn 80 pounds per hour converted to pounds, but it buys more here. I work 25 hrs per week, house long ago paid off, bikes and cage newish, traded every few years and all paid cash. I just need to pay nornal living expenses, kids , and the usual extortion to the ex heifer so she can live in a style she was accustomed to.
How? When young do less whining about your own life choices, get an education, a skill, be good at it, and gradually start working less.
Whinging won't even buy you a beer, never mind a living. No one will pay you to sit and whinge.
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