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PostPosted: 15:31 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: YBR125, carb or injection? Reply with quote

There is a YBR125 local to me which I am thinking of buying..

The model is a Fuel injected version.

Is there any benefit to the fuel injection over the earlier carb model, or is it better to get the carb model for the sake of simplicity?

Many thanks.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advantages:
Autochoke - No fucking around with it
Autofuel mix - No fucking around with idle and fuel/air mixes
Starts up quick every time as long as you've got good power (see disadvantages)
Carbs get gummed up and need cleaning out (not sure how often or how bad it is but seems to be the default go to for fueling issues)
Makes a nice whirring noise when it boots up

Disadvantages:
If your fuse goes you're fucked without replacing it
If your battery gets drained you're fucked without charging it
More electrical fucking around, hard to work on an injector because fuck knows how they work.
Apparently an issue where the injectors don't start because they're too hot, never seen this myself, never had an issue with the injectors
Harder to get certain parts for in my experience! Ignition for a 2009 didn't come up for months, everything seems to be quite pricey (£50 healdight bracket, £50 headlight, £180 new OEM clocks or £40 chinky crap ones) but that's the same for all YBRs probably!
Can't adjust idle or fuel mix and choke
No reserve on the tank (not sure if thats all YBRs)

There's not much difference tbh, but I do prefer the FI model as you don't have to fuck around.
Just make sure your battery is good, I swapped mine out for a motobatt after having problems with the old one after binning it a few times, motobatt is great never had issues and starts first time every time.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mate.

Would it be fair to assume that when it is working it is better, but when it plays up it is harder to fix?

Is there any difference in performance or fuel consumption?
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

symonh2000 wrote:
Thanks Mate.

Would it be fair to assume that when it is working it is better, but when it plays up it is harder to fix?

Is there any difference in performance or fuel consumption?


I think performance and fuel consumption is a negligible difference, but honestly wouldn't know without first hand experience of them both. But i'm of the opinion fuel injection is better, couldn't tell you why though Wink Probably because i've got one Razz That and it's more er, modern.

Crashed my bike a few times, fixed it easy each time, it's all electronic really, second time I crashed the ignition got fucked, cut the wires, joined them up, rode it home, no problem.

As long as the battery is okay FI is good I think... No luck bump starting the bugger on a fucked battery

I think FI model is a digital ignition whereas carb is standard CDI?
I'm at my limits of info here, i'm a nub, only learned from experience
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will see how it goes, I am yet to decide on the bike for sure yet...

To be honest I would rather have an older 2 stroke if I could find one.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As alpha said the advantages & disadvantages.

I would go with the FI due to more MPG, but to be honest with the carb and FI you won't see hardly any difference in reliability, their good bikes Yamaha have got them both down to the bone.

Battery is only down to how you use it / battery quality, leave the standard battery on it, then when the battery if / does go fault or die, bump start it and buy a good quality one.

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PostPosted: 18:52 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

could someone give some advantages and disadvantages of carbed bikes? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matty King wrote:
...when the battery if / does go fault or die, bump start it and buy a good quality one....

Might have a problem trying to bump start any fuel injected bike.
You need to jump start from powerpack (i.e another 12v battery).
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be fine, as long as its got a little charge it will bump Smile
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help folks.

I am still a bit unsure, as another bike has turned up that would suit my needs better. It is cheaper and a 2 stroke...
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 02 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

M13 wrote:
could someone give some advantages and disadvantages of carbed bikes? Laughing



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If it's a multi cylindered bike you need to keep the carbs synched regularly.

Lots of adjustments, if you play and don't know what you are doing, you can totally fuck your bike.

If you leave it standing a long time you will have to strip down the carbs to clean them. They will gum up.

Bloody expensive to get someone to set up on a dyno compared with FI bikes.

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Can be worked on by any numpty with a manual and patience.

On a single cylinder bike no need to synch so they are pretty simple to do.

Basically FI is non user friendly in the workshop. If your FI light comes on, it will need plugging in to find the fault so off to the expensive workshop we go.

Conversely, I have never had an FI fault, but I do have newer bikes but our 2000 carbed Fazer has never missed a beat either. Pays your money and takes your choice.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 02 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
M13 wrote:
could someone give some advantages and disadvantages of carbed bikes? Laughing



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If it's a multi cylindered bike you need to keep the carbs synched regularly.

Lots of adjustments, if you play and don't know what you are doing, you can totally fuck your bike.

If you leave it standing a long time you will have to strip down the carbs to clean them. They will gum up.

Bloody expensive to get someone to set up on a dyno compared with FI bikes.

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Can be worked on by any numpty with a manual and patience.

On a single cylinder bike no need to synch so they are pretty simple to do.

Basically FI is non user friendly in the workshop. If your FI light comes on, it will need plugging in to find the fault so off to the expensive workshop we go.

Conversely, I have never had an FI fault, but I do have newer bikes but our 2000 carbed Fazer has never missed a beat either. Pays your money and takes your choice.


Interesting, will bear that in mind for big bikes. Thumbs Up
But he's asking about the YBR specifically, which is singular

If it helps i've never had an issue with my injector, all problems i've had with my YBR have been self inflicted from crashing Rolling Eyes

It's the gears that are a bit funny on the YBR, neutrals a bit of a slipper kipper
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 02 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:


Interesting, will bear that in mind for big bikes. Thumbs Up
But he's asking about the YBR specifically, which is singular


Yes, but I was giving just general info as I have never ridden a YBR and haven't ridden a single except to take my daughters SR for an MOT about 4 years ago!

For a single, I would be quite happy with a carbed bike for home maintenance.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 02 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:


Interesting, will bear that in mind for big bikes. Thumbs Up
But he's asking about the YBR specifically, which is singular


Yes, but I was giving just general info as I have never ridden a YBR and haven't ridden a single except to take my daughters SR for an MOT about 4 years ago!

For a single, I would be quite happy with a carbed bike for home maintenance.

Sometimes I wish I had a carb just so I can learn about it!
Nothing I can do with a fuel injector, it's wizard magic to me

Basically @OP either will be fine, just go with the one with the least miles and in the best condition Thumbs Up

Don't carbs need to warm up more to work well? Or is that just the engine and oil in general?
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 02 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a carb model 2005 and its fine. Never ridden a fuel injected once so can't comment on the difference,

What I will say is carb model will be easier to work on if something goes wrong.

Also the comment above about the fuel injected giving more mpg the carb one does about 100mpg anyway so more than enough.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 02 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:

it's wizard magic to me


They're just a glorified syringe - nowt magical.

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