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PostPosted: 22:11 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: When one lane becomes two Reply with quote

Hehe now for my daft mod 2 question.

Now I think I've had this mentioned during a previous post-exam debriefing, but being in shock and experiencing a range of negative emotions doesn't leave me particularly receptive. Mad

Now when approaching a roundabout, a single lane 30mph road might split into a straight ahead, and a turn right lane.

Similarly, a 30mph single lane road might split into two lanes in a place where it becomes a 40mph road, etc.

When approaching the splitting bit and from one to two lanes, are examiners looking for me to indicate just to signal as to which lane I'm joining? Thinking
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is all well and good but what about when 2 become 1?

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PostPosted: 22:16 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: When one lane becomes two Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:

Similarly, a 30mph single lane road might split into two lanes in a place where it becomes a 40mph road, etc.

When approaching the splitting bit and from one to two lanes, are examiners looking for me to indicate just to signal as to which lane I'm joining? Thinking


No, just merge left.

If you're merging into the outside lane to overtake then you should indicate.

All IMO. Check with your instrutor to be sure. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
That is all well and good but what about when 2 become 1?

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Or 'Probably would, would if she paid me, would, wouldn't and fuck no!' as they are also known.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Re: When one lane becomes two Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:
Hehe now for my daft mod 2 question.

Now I think I've had this mentioned during a previous post-exam debriefing, but being in shock and experiencing a range of negative emotions doesn't leave me particularly receptive. Mad

Now when approaching a roundabout, a single lane 30mph road might split into a straight ahead, and a turn right lane.

Similarly, a 30mph single lane road might split into two lanes in a place where it becomes a 40mph road, etc.

When approaching the splitting bit and from one to two lanes, are examiners looking for me to indicate just to signal as to which lane I'm joining? Thinking


If the lanes are for different directions, yes, you need to indicate. If they are not then just a shoulder-check after mirrors.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
That is all well and good but what about when 2 become 1?

https://cdn.crushable.com/files/2012/08/Spice-Girls-Reunion-Olympics-490x248.jpg


Bah, you know I've been thinking that one day any term you care to enter in a search engine will have some similarly titled song or shortened game title. Or you name it. The search term 'mod 2' on Youtube brings up a load of Modern Warfare 2 videos. Bah again!

No instructor, I'm doing it on the 'cheap' although I might stop chucking good money after bad if I fail again and get a couple of hours' instruction to sort these things out during December before a last ditch pre Jan19 effort.

Hmm, shoulder check (pretty automatic now I hope), merge left. Indicate right to overtake, makes sense. Ta!
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:
Indicate right to overtake, makes sense.


Indicate to go into next outer lane; but I generally never indicate just for an overtake (on a single lane road), unless I think the situation needs clarification - e.g. a long tailback of cars behind a slow driver, and a straight coming up, I may want to warn other cars of my intention. A lifesaver, yes, but no indicator.

Per instructors for my DAS, also advised not to indicate for overtakes on single-lane carriageways.

As to your question, when a single lane splits up, you don't need to indicate to choose a lane, just keep up the observations and move to the correct lane, which will be dependent on both the layout of the road and the directions from the examiner. PS: Of course indicate left or right if you're not going straight ahead.

I know certain sections of the country have roundabouts that have left lanes as left only (with painted left arrows) and right lanes as straight and right turn; others, left lane is left and straight and right is right turn; and others yet again have three lanes. It's all not particularly consistent. Ideally you want to be in the correct lane for the examiner's instructions, otherwise the leftmost lane that lets you go straight through. Local knowledge helps IMO.

But if you do end up in the left lane that has a left arrow (maybe you didn't see the arrow until late), you may well be better off to indicate left and turn left than to change lanes at the last moment. Can't fail (easily) for taking a wrong turn, but a dodgy lane change and incorrect indicators etc. is an easy fail for the examiner.

And of course, after you pass, if you ever do a BikeSafe day or take advanced instruction, you'll learn that all these arrows on the road are advisory unless there are arrows on traffic lights, or solid white divider lines etc.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was drummed into me that at one point on a much-used test route there is a cycle lane which, of course, narrows the main lane so, a shoulder-check to move slightly to the right and at one point where it ends another to move slightly back to the left. the left one was not essential but sure to earn brownie-points with the examiners at Lee-on-the-Solent. Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that barrkel, sometimes you don't know what those arrows are doing until you're nearly on them. I must take a wrong turn! On my first test I took the wrong exit off a roundabout and ended up on a quiet residential estate, it wasted a bit of time.

I wonder if some strategic wrong turns wouldn't go amiss? Wink

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It was drummed into me that at one point on a much-used test route there is a cycle lane which, of course, narrows the main lane so, a shoulder-check to move slightly to the right and at one point where it ends another to move slightly back to the left. the left one was not essential but sure to earn brownie-points with the examiners at Lee-on-the-Solent. Wink Thumbs Up


Good to hear, I'm often chucking the glances with anything coming up so that should be covered.
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 21 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
The Artist wrote:
That is all well and good but what about when 2 become 1?

https://cdn.crushable.com/files/2012/08/Spice-Girls-Reunion-Olympics-490x248.jpg


Or 'Probably would, would if she paid me, would, wouldn't and fuck no!' as they are also known.


Really? personally it's "Nope it'd be like shagging a toast rack, yep, yep but thinking of baby spice, yep if she wears her liverpool kit and jebus she'd fuck me!"
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told during my training just to merge left with a left shouldercheck, however if there wasnt a left turn up ahead, I suppose it wouldnt hurt to indicate, as long as your not misleading other road users.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's situational, innit.

Position yourself early within your own lane so that no Hard Charge Harry can try and bully past then move smoothly into a gradually split off lane, no problems, just mirrors and maybe a quick shoulder check.

If it's another lane appearing out of nowhere and you've got some tosspot crawling all over your back tyre, sure, indicate, hand signal even.

Just do what you'd do normally, don't stress yourself out with yehbut-whatifs.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
That is all well and good but what about when 2 become 1?

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PostPosted: 22:24 - 22 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Just do what you'd do normally, don't stress yourself out with yehbut-whatifs.


What I do normally is fail! Laughing

OK if you reckon I'm overthinking things, this should confirm it.

Suppose I were to take my test and the weather was dry, but the roads were still wet - would the examiner be looking for a 4 second gap to be left?

This whole 'when it pours make it four' rhyme is all very well, but it's not very informative. If it's not pouring, then what's to stop it being 'if blue sky you can see, start thinking about three'?
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Just do what you'd do normally, don't stress yourself out with yehbut-whatifs.


What I do normally is fail! Laughing

OK if you reckon I'm overthinking things, this should confirm it.

Suppose I were to take my test and the weather was dry, but the roads were still wet - would the examiner be looking for a 4 second gap to be left?

This whole 'when it pours make it four' rhyme is all very well, but it's not very informative. If it's not pouring, then what's to stop it being 'if blue sky you can see, start thinking about three'?


Wet, no. standing water, yes.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about juncions or roundabouts where there are no lane splits or markings but the traffic does split? Should you go with what the rest of the traffic does or treat it as one lane?
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 23 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
What about juncions or roundabouts where there are no lane splits or markings but the traffic does split? Should you go with what the rest of the traffic does or treat it as one lane?


Take and maintain a dominant position. If the lane widens then shoulder-check to the right as you move to dominant position (the new P2).
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