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Eddie Hitler
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: zzr600 d rear wheel Reply with quote

Me. Again. Rolling Eyes

Thanks for the advice in the last post, I'm sure it's all ok but will have a play with it tomorrow to double check.

Ordered a new sprocket carrier. Someone had SUPERGLUED! yes superglued part of the old carrier plastics where the bearing was held. Unbelievable. The bearing that came with this new one looks brand new, so will grease again and use that it.

Problems are arising with the spacers. Most I can work out, but this one doesn't seem to show up in the diagram Kickstart provided. It seems to detatch from eachother, creating 2 separate spacers.

Now when I put just one half inside the carrier, it slides onto the wheel no problems. When I combine the 2, which is how they somehow came out to begin with, it doesn't fit on.

Any ideas? Racking my brains.

The spacer in question is in the centre.. The 2 below go on the chain side of the wheel.

https://i49.tinypic.com/313sos4.jpg
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Eddie Hitler
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this is the only way I can get it all to fit together. Step by step..

The sprocket carrier. Nothing between that and the wheel. Anything there at all causes a small gap between the outer of the wheel and sprocket carrier.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/remoking/GOPR0256_zps548342a2.jpg

The cover on the wheel. This part fits in the carrier.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/remoking/GOPR0259_zps32aed481.jpg

The part in the carrier.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/remoking/GOPR0260_zpsd84bba31.jpg

The spacer then fits snugly ontop.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/remoking/GOPR0262_zpsdfc5f243.jpg

So what the hell is this for?

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/remoking/GOPR0263_zps77578c51.jpg


Major karma for anyone who can help. This has dumbfounded me. Bit annoyed with myself.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other side of the wheel?
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't that the remains of a broken bearing?
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

Just realised..

The bearings were shot. Is it possible that's the inside of a bearing? And I have just gone mad.

Dracon - I have everything for the other side. Thumbs Up
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Eddie Hitler
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
Isn't that the remains of a broken bearing?


And I have been sat here since 6pm fiddling with it all. Looking up manuals, trying to find out what part it was. Shocked .

Yeh, must be.

Still wondering though, it says that the part I have put ontop should go between the underside of the sprocket carrier and the wheel. But that leaves a gap.
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Eddie Hitler
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose the gap compresses down when the wheel is fitted and tightened?

Just tried it without the cush drive rubbers in and it doesn't compress down at all. Theres a 2mill gap.. fml. So confused.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mystery bit is a broken bearing, you should have a spacer between the wheelbearing and the sprocket carrier bearing otherwise when you try to tighten it its just trying to push the carrier bearing thru to the wheel bearing..
I think there should be a small gap between the carrier and the wheel to allow for movement but not sure of 2mm is a bit much.
basically if you imagine the axle bolt should pass thru the spacers and wheel with no air space between any of the bits ie , rear arm>spacer>carrier bearing>spacer>wheelbearing>spacer tube inside wheel>wheelbearing>spacer>rear arm if you see what I mean. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do see what you mean, I'm going to put it all back on tomorrow once my new spindle comes through (playing it safe, the old one was minutely warped). Cheers, it does seem too much of a gap, but there is nothing else I can change, it's all there correct. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The spacer that can be seen in the third picture should be fitted to the other side (the inside) of the carrier and should be facing the other way around on the axle.
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Eddie Hitler
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
The spacer that can be seen in the third picture should be fitted to the other side (the inside) of the carrier and should be facing the other way around on the axle.


I thought it was incorrect at first, but the manual doesn't lie. Laughing That's how it's sitting atm. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Hitler wrote:
but the manual doesn't lie

Which manual did you obtain your spurious information from?
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Hitler wrote:
I suppose the gap compresses down when the wheel is fitted and tightened?

Just tried it without the cush drive rubbers in and it doesn't compress down at all. Theres a 2mill gap.. fml. So confused.


Shocked . That spacer looks like the one that should go between the sprocket carrier and the wheel. Without it in place the sprocket carrier bearing will have a very large side load on the inner race pushing it inwards and it will fail fairly quickly. The result of this will be the kind of damage your old swinging arm suffered from.

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Eddie Hitler
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's set up how the diagram you showed is, it's just the small gap between the carrier and the wheel that's bugging me. Is a gap normal? It's set up correctly, and all the parts are correct.

BTW, I didn't mean the gap that you're thinking. I mean the outer rim, where the carrier meets the wheel. The outer circle/rim. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 23:29 - 18 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I have followed.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 19 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

42036 is the spacer between the carrier and the wheel.

Often the carrier won't easily seat. Half the time I put the wheel on the floor sprocket carrier up and then stand on the sprocket, rocking from foot to foot to seat it.

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