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PostPosted: 09:02 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Naked man and a clown Reply with quote

Mr Yaigi told me he had seen a couple of these Lancashire motorcycle awareness campaign billboards around Burscough way, got me intrigued as he mentioned a naked man and a clown Laughing so I looked them up:

https://www.lancashire.police.uk/Content/UploadedImages/job_packs/NowDoYouSeeMe_Billboard2.jpg

https://www.lancashire.police.uk/Content/UploadedImages/job_packs/NowDoYouSeeMe_Banner_outift.jpg

Although amusing, I think they may be missing the point; if people aren't looking for a bike shaped thing then they still wouldn't see if you're naked or dressed as a clown. If people aren't looking PROPERLY at junctions, and they still manage to hit people wearing high vis on brightly coloured loud bikes, then it's not about how visible you make yourself is it.... it's about training drivers to look properly, and motorcyclists to assume that they don't, surely?

Anyway, nice of them to try, it might get some people thinking... or at least give them a giggle.

More on the campaign here:

https://www.lancashire.police.uk/help-and-advice/campaigns/road-safety-campaign
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:36 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scootaloo wrote:


Pfff, calling things gay as a derogatory term* is so backwards, I'm with Steve Hughes on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5VliEjyohM

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*I have been known to do this myself, it's addictive or some shit, I'm trying to get over it Wink
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Pfff, calling things gay as a derogatory term* is so backwards, I'm with Steve Hughes on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5VliEjyohM


I am a serious believer that this ACTUALLY makes sense, I've been trying to explain it to my girlfriend for years but she just doesn't understand Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Naked man and a clown Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Although amusing, I think they may be missing the point; if people aren't looking for a bike shaped thing then they still wouldn't see if you're naked or dressed as a clown.


To be honest I completely disagree something unique on the road will get your attention as it doesn't blend into the background. If you went by a landrover limo for example you would notice it as you haven't seen it before. OR if you see a steam engine on the back of a low loader you would easily recognise it.

yaigi wrote:
If people aren't looking PROPERLY at junctions, and they still manage to hit people wearing high vis on brightly coloured loud bikes, then it's not about how visible you make yourself is it.


Hi Viz is used by everyone and their dog now, it used to be great for getting noticed however with how wide spread it is no one notices.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id agree on smilers points personally. Would love to see those on billboards in my area Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Naked man and a clown Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:


To be honest I completely disagree something unique on the road will get your attention as it doesn't blend into the background. If you went by a landrover limo for example you would notice it as you haven't seen it before. OR if you see a steam engine on the back of a low loader you would easily recognise it.


The two examples you have given though, are massive. People would have no problem spotting them because of the sheer size, perhaps in addition to them being a bit mental.

I do wonder if your average car driver would think "Haha yeah I would definitely spot a naked biker over a dressed one", and how, if put to the test, this theory would stand up. I don't think they would be any more likely to spot em - the fact that they're naked is computed by the brain when you've actually SEEN them - people aren't even seeing bikes to notice the rider.

I think the money would be better spent on a more educational campaign based on statistics derived from how people 'see' or 'don't see' bikers. Like making something of the fact that when you move your head quickly your eyes 'turn off' - maybe suggesting people need to take slow, considered glances rather than quick turns of the head (which seems to be what is taught in driving lessons!)
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it makes drivers think then it's no bad thing.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe those are coppers on the posters, so an unqualified Thumbs Up for that.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about, stop relying on stupid fucking campaigns, and look out for yourself while using the road. Stop trying to hide poor rider obs, behind drivers not seeing you!
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Naked man and a clown Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
it's about training drivers to look properly, and motorcyclists to assume that they don't, surely?


To answer your point directly they do on paper, but what about accounting for those that past prior to training awareness, and how do you account for the stupid and human error. The only way to do that would be an absolute logistical and administrative nightmare. Not to mention they couldn't manage it with any level of competency in the first place and you could use the development of the motorcycle licensing with the off road mod one as a model for that Laughing

In fact, (not fact, just my casual mulling), I am happy enough with the posters in consideration of the circumstances, as to tackle the issue with vigour could lead to abject failure and possibly just banning bikes full stop Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 11 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen a car pull out on a rather large lorry, a car pulled out on Mr KK & I tonight, we were in a silver vauxhall Antara and it is a bright evening (not sun in eyes though). If people can't see fairly large vehicles then they won't see a bike no matter how the biker is dressed.
I ride as if everyone is out to kill me, makes me more observant.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 17 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitty kat wrote:

I ride as if everyone is out to kill me, makes me more observant.


Exactly. On my CBT I explained it to the instructor as "Like a computer game - you have to get from A to B, and everyone in-between is trying to kill you, yeah?". He liked that, apparently he's using that analogy on students now Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 17 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hrmmmph! Mad with a thread title like that , I was expecting something pervy Evil or Very Mad Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 18 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the naked man poster is at my local bike meet place - Bullbeck, Caton, but it is too far away from the road for it to be noticed.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 18 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it matters what you are wearing, the sad fact of the matter is that many cagers are on auto pilot and simply look but don't see.

If these bill boards stand out enough to encourage people to look at them, have it in their heads for 10 minutes, and stay vigilant enough in that time to avoid t boning a poor biker, then they get my thumbs up. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 18 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see how being naked is going to help you be seen from a side entrance, or in mirrors overtaking.

A driver might see your chest. That's about it. It can't have any more effect than Hi-Vis.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 18 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

After nearly being SMIDSY'd three times in the last few weeks, I've been thinking a bit more on what causes these incidents to happen.

I'm finding it a bit hard to believe the whole 'cagers are trained/used to looking out for cars' shtick. Aren't human brains hardwired to pick out humanoid shapes? I never had problems spotting the motorcyclist/scooter in a throng of cars, due to them being (1) humanoid and (2) irregularly shaped compared to surrounding cars. They stand out like a sore thumb! Cars, on the other hand, all look the same but are large enough so that any movement would be obvious to the eye.

Have standards really slipped that far? Are drivers just ****king lazy?
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 18 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read a study a while back that believed of smidsy cases many relate to issues with the vison of the cager not identifying an oncoming slim object against a background/expectation of larger objects, which sometimes lead to situations were the bike appears like a static object at first glance when moving in a straight line.

It recommended to reduce this to lightly 'weave' just slightly on approaching a possible smidsy scenario like a side road to break this 'static' vision. I tryed to find the link a few weeks ago for another thread but have had no luck Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cager SMIDSYed one of our 44 ton artics about a fortnight ago. Cager lost that one epically Laughing I have had a cager pull out in front of me while I was driving a bright yellow fastrac, cager lost that one to boot. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
I read a study a while back that believed of smidsy cases many relate to issues with the vison of the cager not identifying an oncoming slim object against a background/expectation of larger objects, which sometimes lead to situations were the bike appears like a static object at first glance when moving in a straight line.

It recommended to reduce this to lightly 'weave' just slightly on approaching a possible smidsy scenario like a side road to break this 'static' vision. I tryed to find the link a few weeks ago for another thread but have had no luck Thumbs Down


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PostPosted: 00:39 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Id agree on smilers points personally. Would love to see those naked men straddling bikes on billboards in my area Laughing


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PostPosted: 01:00 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:04 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

deadwolf wrote:
After nearly being SMIDSY'd three times in the last few weeks, I've been thinking a bit more on what causes these incidents to happen.

I'm finding it a bit hard to believe the whole 'cagers are trained/used to looking out for cars' shtick. Aren't human brains hardwired to pick out humanoid shapes? I never had problems spotting the motorcyclist/scooter in a throng of cars, due to them being (1) humanoid and (2) irregularly shaped compared to surrounding cars. They stand out like a sore thumb! Cars, on the other hand, all look the same but are large enough so that any movement would be obvious to the eye.

Have standards really slipped that far? Are drivers just ****king lazy?


An RAF pilot gives his opinion on the reason smidsys occur in this article, it's a good read, and backs up the idea that it wouldn't matter what you were wearing:

https://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyclists/
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 19 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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An RAF pilot gives his opinion on the reason smidsys occur in this article, it's a good read, and backs up the idea that it wouldn't matter what you were wearing:

https://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyclists/


That's a brilliant article.

Sometimes I think it's just become unfashionable to be observant.
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