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YorksNovice
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: What to buy...??? Reply with quote

Hi,

I have been riding on L plates for a couple of years now, and finally got round to sorting out doing the Direct Access recently after realising it is quite embarrassing having L plates in your mid thirties.

Nerves keep getting the better of me, and the Module 1 is become a bit of a pain. However, should I one day pass it, and then be successful at Module 2, I need to know where to go.

I have a Honda CBR 125R, and so have considered the CBR500R. (I wanted a CBR600F but the insurance quotes are way out of my affordability margins.)

However, people say the 500 will get boring very quickly and as a person not rolling in cash, I do not want to chop and change.

I started on bigger bikes on an Kawasaki ER5. I don't particularly like the riding position or the lack of windscreen, but it was smooth and relatively nippy. I have now moved onto the ER6N.

I had been considering an ER6F as a possible purchase.... but I must say I really don't like the N. When you change gear it clunks. It sounds like a lawnmower tractor. And it is not easy or smooth to ride, particularly at lower speeds. In fact, I would describe it as lumpy. I would rather keep the 125 than have an ER6N to be brutally honest!

So, where am I going with this? Well, I suppose I am wondering if the ER6F is dramatically different from the N variant apart from the addition of faring and a windscreen? Is the Yamaha Diversion F perhaps a better bet, and are there any other alternatives?

I like the sports bike image, but am not interested in charging around like a loon and becoming a statistic. I also find that with the CBR125 I lose feeling in my fingers and get wrist ache on longer runs. I need something that does good mpg as I commute on the bike and it saves me a fortune in fuel. But I want a bit more go so that I can safely and quickly overtake the 40mph drivers on the country lanes on the way home, something that I simply cannot do on the 125.

Any advice appreciated.

Kind regards

Jon
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BMW F series bikes?

Not riden them myself, but you asked for alternatives and that came to mind.
Also, what's your budget? That'll help people make appropriate suggestions.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: What to buy...??? Reply with quote

YorksNovice wrote:
Hi,

I have been riding on L plates for a couple of years now, and finally got round to sorting out doing the Direct Access recently after realising it is quite embarrassing having L plates in your mid thirties.

Nerves keep getting the better of me, and the Module 1 is become a bit of a pain. However, should I one day pass it, and then be successful at Module 2, I need to know where to go.

I have a Honda CBR 125R, and so have considered the CBR500R. (I wanted a CBR600F but the insurance quotes are way out of my affordability margins.)

However, people say the 500 will get boring very quickly and as a person not rolling in cash, I do not want to chop and change.

I started on bigger bikes on an Kawasaki ER5. I don't particularly like the riding position or the lack of windscreen, but it was smooth and relatively nippy. I have now moved onto the ER6N.

I had been considering an ER6F as a possible purchase.... but I must say I really don't like the N. When you change gear it clunks. It sounds like a lawnmower tractor. And it is not easy or smooth to ride, particularly at lower speeds. In fact, I would describe it as lumpy. I would rather keep the 125 than have an ER6N to be brutally honest!

So, where am I going with this? Well, I suppose I am wondering if the ER6F is dramatically different from the N variant apart from the addition of faring and a windscreen? Is the Yamaha Diversion F perhaps a better bet, and are there any other alternatives?

I like the sports bike image, but am not interested in charging around like a loon and becoming a statistic. I also find that with the CBR125 I lose feeling in my fingers and get wrist ache on longer runs. I need something that does good mpg as I commute on the bike and it saves me a fortune in fuel. But I want a bit more go so that I can safely and quickly overtake the 40mph drivers on the country lanes on the way home, something that I simply cannot do on the 125.

Any advice appreciated.

Kind regards

Jon


Hi I can't really be much help as i have only ridden my t'cat a few times (not yet licensed) although i've been riding my 125 nearly 2 years now and have spoke to quite a few 'proper' bikers. The general consensus is to start on something that you're not going to get bored of in a few months but something that's not going to kill you or make a uncomfortable ride (i assume you want this bike for all weathers/ uses). I personally chose the t'cat as a stepping stone to something like a R1/Fireblade. I'm 18 so have my stupid moments but also find i learn/adapt to bikes quite quick which can be a bad thing as i was bored of my 125 in a few weeks (being forced to wait to ride my t'cat is becoming torture). For me this bike was an obvious choice as it's quick,faired, somewhat sporty, cheap to insure and at a price of £1000 i can't really lose any money on re sale. Ok maybe this hasn't been much help as im young and not really interested in practicality/comfort. But what i'm trying to say is you should asses what is really important to you in a bike and try and get a ride on a few so you can decide yourself what is right for you.. Not rely on people who usually have biased/very different opinions telling you what you should purchase because everyone has a different mind set in my experience.

Saying that if it was me and i wanted something comfortable, good mpg but still sporty looking i would either get a sport tourer such as a t'cat, cbr600f, vfr. however you could go with a different approach and get something that isn't classed as a sport bike/ sports tourer like a dual purpose bike and just get one with a bigger engine so it's still got the 'punch' of a sports.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: What to buy...??? Reply with quote

You want newish, cheapish, leany-forwards, sportsbike looks but not performance, and reasonable insurance?

https://images02.olx.com/ui/1/62/20/4136220_1.jpg

SV650S with a full fairing would seem to tick all of those.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: What to buy...??? Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You want newish, cheapish, leany-forwards, sportsbike looks but not performance, and reasonable insurance?

https://images02.olx.com/ui/1/62/20/4136220_1.jpg

SV650S with a full fairing would seem to tick all of those.


I dont think he is a v twin man by the sounds of it.

to the op I dont think you will find any difference in the er6f to the n apart from the wind protection. V twins arent the best at low speeds, but I just love them for the sound and torque. Very Happy


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PostPosted: 16:00 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fazer! Fazer fazer fazer. Fazer.

That is all.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Fazer! Fazer fazer fazer. Fazer.

That is all.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

YorksNovice wrote:
I had been considering an ER6F as a possible purchase.... but I must say I really don't like the N. When you change gear it clunks.


The ER6N and the ER6F have the same engine and the fairrings/windshield won't make much difference unless you are doing really high speeds. I was in the same position as you - going from a 125 to ER6 and my research led me to believe that the ER6 is better than its competitors (fazer, sv650) for economical commuting and the ER6 has some good power low down for fun acceleration. The change from neutral to first is 'clunky' but that is normal on most big bikes - the other gears should not be clunking at all.

If you don't like the sounds of the ER6 - get an aftermarket exhaust. I like the low speed sound of it but I am wondering if it sounds like a bit of a toy over 30mph.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the Triumph Street Triple was the same insurance as a CBR600.
About £450 fully comp, which was a nice surprise.

I found the Honda Hornet was actually more, circa £650.

Given the insurance groups, this didn't make sense. So it might be worth trying a few bikes, you might be surprised at the insurance costs.

The Suzuki GSX650F is another option. Comfy seat and riding position, quickish, but not crazy. And keenly priced.

All are around 50mpg

The KTM Duke 690 and BMW G650GS get nearer 65MPG+
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigeon... That's interesting. I have been quoted between £250 and 350 for cbr500 and similar for er6f. However cheapest quotes for cbr600f is £750.

I know what people are saying re Bandit but my friend has one and it's way too heavy for little me!

Budget is based on finance quotes and trade in around £6000. And having risen ER6N on 60mph+ roads, windscreen is a must.

Have considered BMW F650 GS but it is dramatically different from what I am used to.

Thanks for all advice.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 12 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the sports bike image


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but am not interested in charging around like a loon and becoming a statistic.


Wouldn't associate the two to be honest, theres obviously a minority that chase both but it doesn't have to be that way. Not to say you can't ride them fast and still be safe if you're sensible.

My main bike currently is a ZX6 and compared to the average sports biker i'd say i ride it 'cautiously' Laughing . Not because i'm scared of it or ever feeling out of control, i just generally aren't one for hooning it about bar the odd occasion, prefer a more relaxing ride most of the time - but i still have a great time and lot of fun riding the thing. And that is often actually in probably the worst conditions for a sportsbike around a congested city.

Furthermore to put that into perspective and the weight aspect of it, i had mine restricted to 33bhp in line with the previous licensing laws for the first 10k miles, and even then it was more than enough [admittedly coming from a 125], and although i'm not overly short at 5'10 i'm very slim so its quite a big and bulky bike for me.

I would read too much into peoples reviews as to be honest if i had when looking for my bike i'd of probably not gone near it with a barge pole, but i would of missed out on a lot of fun if that had been the case Wink

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PostPosted: 08:52 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've ridden a ER6 and while the clunk is noticeable, it's not as bad as a ZZR600, that think sounds like a gun has been shot.

speaking of ZZR600, that is a "sporty" looking bike, with cheaper insurance than the ZX6R. Slightly less powerful, lots of fairing for weather protection, not as upright seating position as some ...

Give one a test ride
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you been getting quotes on the new CBR600F or the older ones? Try a quote on a 1999 - 2003 model if you have only looked at the new ones. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My vote is the hornet Wink


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PostPosted: 14:36 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really have to get down to the local dealership and check out the offerings. The SV650, Hornet, Bandit, Fazer etc are all great bikes so you need to sit on them and get a feel for them. Personally, I'd draw up a list then strike off the bikes that really don't float your boat, leaving a handful of possibilities to aim for.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: What to buy...??? Reply with quote

jaymos wrote:
I dont think he is a v twin man by the sounds of it.


Going from a single to a peasant parallel twin... a v twin is kinda an upgrade on the "CBR"500
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joncrete Cungle wrote:
Have you been getting quotes on the new CBR600F or the older ones? Try a quote on a 1999 - 2003 model if you have only looked at the new ones. Wink


Problem I've got is I need finance. I can't afford to go out and buy a bike and dealers aren't offering good finance on second hand bikes and bikes of that age aren't on sale in dealers anyway. That said I have just put a 2004 cbr600f thru Go Compare where I've had the cheapest quotes so farand it's still come back on excess of £700.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

YorksNovice wrote:
Joncrete Cungle wrote:
Have you been getting quotes on the new CBR600F or the older ones? Try a quote on a 1999 - 2003 model if you have only looked at the new ones. Wink


Problem I've got is I need finance. I can't afford to go out and buy a bike and dealers aren't offering good finance on second hand bikes and bikes of that age aren't on sale in dealers anyway. That said I have just put a 2004 cbr600f thru Go Compare where I've had the cheapest quotes so farand it's still come back on excess of £700.


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PostPosted: 17:05 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have. I'd be interested to know if they keep their promise of beating any quote as Go Compare prices are significantly lower.

Still it's all academic until I pass my test!
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 13 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have. I'd be interested to know if they keep their promise of beating any quote as Go Compare prices are significantly lower.

Still it's all academic until I pass my test!
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