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PostPosted: 09:40 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Trailers to carry bikes.. now car crash thread Reply with quote

Just some info needed really, I'm looking to get bikes to and from tracks/fields/off road places etc. I don't particularly want a van, increased insurance costs, don't want it as a daily runner so would have to declare 0 NCB as they are used on my other car.

Trailer sounds sensible, I have no tow bar but can possibly steal a car with one, I have use of a van, but its not exclusive and is likely to be with various other people most of the time.

Do trailers need to conform to anything? Currently, around ~100-150kg bike weight wise is likely to be present. I'm led to believe it needs some form of lights for the rear? Number plate is a given, anything else?

The journey is only 50 miles round trip currently Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 09:46 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only thing on the back of my dads trailer is a light board with plate, not used for a bike its a garden use type.

Don't recall anything special about my uncles bike one either.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

lights and number plates easily sorted - you can buy the full assembly from places like Halfrauds i think - comes on a board and you just hook it up to a connector you get with towbars.

there was a chap on here (who did a video diary of his trip to the nurburgring) he had a trailer built - he may know a bit about it...
this chap KLR600 - one of his mates did it for the trip.

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PostPosted: 10:50 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm, not that much tbh, It'll only be a weekend thing, overall its probably ideal to have one with 2 bike spaces, enough for say 2 sports bikes, but not a requirement.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want a van, trailers are very not cool. You can't complain about the expense as it'll be cheaper than booking Brands for a private trackday. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You want a van, trailers are very not cool. You can't complain about the expense as it'll be cheaper than booking Brands for a private trackday. Mr. Green


It will however cost more in the long run with tyres, servicing, MOT, tax... a trailer is more than adequate Wink
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

But a van has many other uses!!

https://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/2507236/img/Anonymous/pedobear-free-candy-van.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above post is work safe. Shocked
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy an old caravan. Cut a hole in the back/front, cover it with a plywood ramp on a hinge and keep the bike in there.

Then you have somewhere to kip/store tools if you're at a race meeting too.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing That is a superb idea... now, to find some shitty caravan.

That said, a small cheapy 2 berth is apparently ~850kg. Is that too large for a standard car licence?
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Laughing That is a superb idea... now, to find some shitty caravan.

That said, a small cheapy 2 berth is apparently ~850kg. Is that too large for a standard car licence?


It changed again this year, but for most of us:

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Licences held from 1 January 1997
If you passed your driving test after 1 January 1997 and have an ordinary category B (car) licence, you can drive either:

a vehicle up to 3.5 tonnes or 3,500 kilograms (kg) Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (with a combined weight of up to 4,250kg in total)
a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as it is no more than the unladen or ‘kerb’ weight of the towing vehicle (with a combined weight of up to 3,500kg in total)
For anything heavier you need to take a category B+E driving test.


https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driving-licence-rules-and-what-you-can-tow


And don't exceed the gross train weight of your car:


https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/car-towing-weight-and-width-limits

and your towing kit must comply:

https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/towing-equipment-safety-standards


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PostPosted: 11:47 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For starters you need to check the towing capacity of your car.

Then you need to check the plated weight of your trailer

Then you need to check that the plated weight isn't over 750kg

Then you need to check that the plated weight and weight of bike combined isn't over 750kg

If it is then you need to do a B+E test

Then you need to wire your trailer socket into your car, knowing you it will be scotchlocked in badly, probably wont work and be fairly dangerous, probably set on fire as you try and fix it with a spoon and some crayons.

You will then need to attach a tow bar, knowing you it will probably involve a U shape exhaust clamp around the towing eye bolted through the tow bar.

Then Iain will sell you a trailer which is bent, broken, fucked jockey wheel and hitch, which has been tarted up and described as being awesome and worth £9000 when it is really on worth three quid, those problems will be your fault, even though they have been blatantly hidden.

At this point you will complain it is too expensive, so you will attempt to fabricate something shit out of some 2x4 and some scaffolding tube that has been rotting away somewhere, to create this
https://www.lbadelphi.co.uk/images/LBA2%20Towing%20aid-5.JPG

Only to then complain it all fell apart etc

Then you will buy something like this
https://www.towequipe.co.uk/products/a351cat-mottez-motorbike-scooter-towbar-mounted-carrier-tow-bar.html
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pits, fuck off Wink

I wouldn't want my nice, tidy and bodge free bikes to fall off and be fucked thanks, I also don't want to fuck the car. I'm asking a serious question so go troll someone else.

I wouldn't fit anything, its not my car to fuck with, I'd leave that to my dad Thumbs Up

Donny, from that.. I drive a 2001 Astra which isn't too heavy, so I see it as I could actually tow a caravan if it was about 1 ton anyway? wouldn't exceed the combined weight of 3.5t...

Either way, doubt I'll get a caravan, probably too large for me to drive with, I like visibility.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car is stated to weigh 1290kg Laughing so hopefully covers me to carry a ton behind me.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Donny, from that.. I drive a 2001 Astra which isn't too heavy, so I see it as I could actually tow a caravan if it was about 1 ton anyway? wouldn't exceed the combined weight of 3.5t...



You should manage a moderate sized caravan with an astra.

It is all about checking the weight plates of car and caravan and loading it carefully though Thumbs Up .


There is also a bit of difference between legal and suitable as it is based on vehicle weight and ignores things like engine size. I wouldn't fancy towing 1500 kg of caravan with a 1.4 VW Touran for instance Wink .
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget that with a trailer you knock 10 mph off your allowed speed limit (paraphrasing for brevity) and you can't use lane 3 (or more) of a motorway.

This may or may not be of concern, but just throwing it in there.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 litre TD should tug it along OK I suppose Thinking I know someone who tows a trailer with 2 trials with a 1.6 Focus, that's all I'd really need.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a three bike trailer and have been known to fit a GSXR1100 and a FJ1200 on in the past.

But more often I fit three full size dirt bikes on with ease.

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Dirt%20bikes/Sussexhorse2.jpg
https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Dirt%20bikes/Picture003.jpg

But occasionally I have been known to rescue friends bikes when they run out of sparks and the breakdown people are hours away.

I paid £100 for my trailer about 20 years ago and has lasted well.You can never own enough straps and ratchets.I bought a six pack from MachineMart and they have been in regular use with the original four pack of heavy duty straps that I bought when I first got the trailer.I made my own nylon loops for wrapping around the frame and/or handlebars so as not to scratch/mark the paintwork.The tye down straps then attach the loops to the various points on the trailer.

For single bikes up to a certain size/weight I use a rack which bolts onto the tow ball bracket.

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Dirt%20bikes/2013-06-12131601_zps9d4f5e47.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currently its only to get a trials bike to and from an area. I can fit in the car but removing the wheels each time shall become a pain, especially when they are dirty!

Ideally it will also carry a KTM and a trials at some point, perhaps even 2 sports to a trackday Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:

For single bikes up to a certain size/weight I use a rack which bolts onto the tow ball bracket.

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Dirt%20bikes/2013-06-12131601_zps9d4f5e47.jpg


any more details of that?
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristan. wrote:
Fizzer Thou wrote:

For single bikes up to a certain size/weight I use a rack which bolts onto the tow ball bracket.

https://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/WiNot_Rhencullen/Dirt%20bikes/2013-06-12131601_zps9d4f5e47.jpg


any more details of that?


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PostPosted: 10:06 - 01 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK... so I may be getting a van, managed to write the car off today Rolling Eyes Super duper.

On a large roundabout heading to motorway entry lane, car pulls out of a give way section straight into me, pushed me away and then I did some head on crash into a stop barrier here...

https://goo.gl/maps/OlZsw

Mucho pain. headbutted my steering wheel, fucked my glasses and damn does my head hurt Laughing Oh well, waiting for the insurers to come pick it up but at 203,000 miles its definitely a write off.. pics later.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 01 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a modern pedobear van, one with airbags. Razz
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