drones

[unitynotsocri...]

Greater manchester Police have been flying their experimental drone over the city centre this morning . its a full size helicopter and remote controlled . the cameras need adjusting and the wireless data link is'nt that secure so I'll try rooting for the video feeds so we BCF'rs can watch it real time....

any police chopper pilots on BCF?

if so it looks like you will shortly be saving the ratepayers a lot of money ....

the aircraft appears to be a full size roberts light helicopter with extra engine silenceing , what worries me the most is that sheer negligence after the scott craash ........flying an unairworthhy/unapproved craft with a few hundred gallons of juice over the heads of our xmas consumers....or citizens as we once called them..........GMP have been gagging for decent weather , today they got it .
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[-Matt-]

Saves them the cost of replacing pilots everytime they crash one into a pub I guess

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[cyberglass]

what are the chances of the remote link being hacked and somebody else taking it for a spin. or on a kamikazee mission ?
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Or taking pot shots at it.
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[Chalky.]

Sounds like bollocks, why would it be full sized if it didn't carry any passengers? How do you know there were no passengers?

Something very small could do the job described.

[covent.gardens]

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I wish I could buy a helicopter for 40k
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[lihp]

Didn't see anything flying over manchester city centre while I went to work this morning?
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[unitynotsocri...]

Think. Its an Elgin airframe / turbine unit loaded with a new FLiR and other cameras . It was being flown at the edge of the city centre .
The trial looked really good. , its super stable and its ' autohover' function is superb , better than a human . Did nt look like it had any localised radar or collision protection .
Will burn the video to mpeg soon . In Bosnia the drone video feeds were accessable on the net . If the choppers use ANY network , other than a one to one operator to drone.......they are vunerable to hackers .

With the right digits you can hack in the data links , take over the chopper and use it to shop at morrisons . Or , better still sell the cameras and electronics .

Perfect target.......stationary object at 500 feet .
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[unitynotsocri...]

Think. Its an Elgin airframe / turbine unit loaded with a new FLiR and other cameras . It was being flown at the edge of the city centre .
The trial looked really good. , its super stable and its ' autohover' function is superb , better than a human . Did nt look like it had any localised radar or collision protection .
Will burn the video to mpeg soon . In Bosnia the drone video feeds were accessable on the net . If the choppers use ANY network , other than a one to one operator to drone.......they are vunerable to hackers .

With the right digits you can hack in the data links , take over the chopper and use it to shop at morrisons . Or , better still sell the cameras and electronics .

Perfect target.......stationary object at 500 feet .
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[Ste]

Drones should be beneficial for the police to use.

That is, until they realise they could use them for speed traps.

[-Matt-]

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How long before plans for RF guns/jammers come out? (assuming they aren't already).

If the police reckon they can make a sufficiently powerful FR interference device to stop a car engine by interfering with the ECU, an enthusiastic amateur ought to be able to take a drone down with a tenners worth of stuff from Maplins, a stolen traffic cone and some tinfoil.
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RF jammers are generally pretty easy to make.
But you also can get in to big trouble for unauthorised radio stuff.

[unitynotsocri...]

Got the tenner and traffic cone , just need a street junkie for some foil .......

Methodone.....destruction through EMP.......

Possible but with massive local electronic damage to others.....plus the inconvenience of carrying around high voltage capacitors and very heavy transformers

Hacking any new frequencies like 4 .8 ghz broadband and ripple channels from the new 4 G services may prove productive , as is watching your frequency counters ....

Update.........thinks it's a Albin special


To down one you could do the raghead special and fire birdshot at the rotors ( country areas only) but if really want to object you could easily find the airfeild/ hanger and do the jobproperly , like we did to italian and german airfeilds in north africa .Must post the video before xmas .

Was impressed by the auto stabilty / hover system . Watching the controller trying to throw it off station by banking it 45 degrees right while it was asked to keep station with a 20 kmph on the left side ........incredibly stable.

It remains to be seen wether its radar / camera can fly through bad weather under 1500 feet and not bang into things .
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[Robby]

I normally ignore your ramblings, but this time I'll bite.

Any data links to and from it will be encrypted. The only one that might possibly not be encrypted is the video output, and that is unlikely - the thing is there to look at things and gather intelligence. If people know they are being specifically watched, they will do something different.

You aren't going to break the encryption. You aren't going to hack the drone and take control of it. You came up with that idea all by yourself, and the team that designed this system have more brains than you. As do my cats.

It could be taken down by some manner of EM beam (to fry the electronics) or by some manner of RF jamming (to block the control signals). I would expect that the EM beam would work if sufficiently powerful, but it will have some manner of pre-set routine to return to base on autopilot or maybe just ditch into the nearest body of water if RF jamming is detected.

While taking down a police drone may seem like a harmless bit of hacking, I doubt the police would see it that way. Anyone doing such a thing would find themselves arrested rather quickly. Trying to shoot it down is even more ludicrous - firing shots at police equipment while it watches you with a high definition camera.

[G]

It's not just the police; I suspect the CAA would rather look down on it too.

And yes - for taking it down, an old fashioned gut would be better.

Or train pigeons (without an enclosing missile) to fly in to it.

[Walloper]