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Gazdaman
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 25 Dec 2004    Post subject: Wierd problem at top end Reply with quote

Ok, I've raised this problem before.

On the MZ when flat out in top it'll lose all power and lurch forward as if you've suddenly let go of the throttle and applied a little front brake.

It'll do this, lurch forward, then go back to normal, and if you don't roll off a bit it'll carry on doing it.

Today it got worse. Which could be for a few things I've recently done:
Namely, fitting a sports exhaust, and running the tank onto reserve therefore tons of crap from the bottom of the tank in the carbs.

I think it's a fueling issue rather than a siezing issue, since it always goes back to normal.

Last time it was suggested it could be a breather hole issue, but my fuel cap is so loose and crap that can't be it. I think it must be a problem with either the carb, the fuel tap, the hose from the tank to the carb or possibly the air filter.

The carbs are getting a damn good clean tomorrow and a new air filter is on its way.

Any input?

Gaz
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Frost
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 25 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be the mixture its running. a mixture thats too rich can be very unhappy at high revs even though it starts well and runs well at low rev's.

Try adjusting the mixture, and make sure that the choke isnt sticking on.
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Gazdaman
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 25 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A too rich mixture would foul plugs though correct?

The plug looks as it should, not oily at all.

Gaz
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 26 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, sounds like fuel starvation to me. Giving the fuel system a good clean out should see it right (don't forget to do the tap).

Have you considered fitting one of those big orange paper element fuel filters like they use in cars in the fuel line and doing away with the gauze filter in the tap? It will stop a lot more crap and you can see if it is blocked as they are transparent. Cost about 50p each.
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Gazdaman
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 26 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good call, I know StinkWheel would hold the key.

TBH I've never had the fuel tap off so far so I don't know what's inside.

It'll get a damn good clean out tomorrow and I'll report back my findings.

Thanks guys.

Gaz
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 26 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:
TBH I've never had the fuel tap off so far so I don't know what's inside.


If it is like any I have seen, it will have a sediment bowl built in to the tap. Switch off the fuel and unscrew this, try to keep it level so you can look at the fuel inside it. There will most likley be a huge pile of junk at the bottom of it and possibly a couple of droplets of water lurking under the petrol (more than a couple of drops can indicate contaminated fuel. The sedimant bowl is the first stage of the filtering process and allows and big lumps, bits of grit etc. to settle out before it gets to the filter.

There is then usually a gauze screen located in the body of the tap just above the sediment bowl. Gently remove this, rinse it with fresh petrol so it is clean, if you have access to an airline, blow it through with this. These filters are often the same size as a hash pipe/bong gauze which can be bought in packets of five for a pound at your local stoner shop (between the Slipknot t-shirts and the tacky dragon figurines)

If there was a lot of shite in the sediment bowl, it may be worth removing and cleaning the rest of the tap. Easiest to take the tank off and lean it on its side on a cloth to do this, saves having to drain the tank all the way. Being an MZ it should be pretty simple to dismantle, blow through all the passageways to ensure it is all clean. I have found that the communists were not always too fussy about masking off the holes prior to spraying their fuel tanks and you can land up with a load of paint overspray gumming up the holes in the tap.

EDIT: Some bikes have the filter inside the tank either in the form of a gauze 'sock' over the end of the fuel tap or a circular disc with a hole in that only filters the reserve, relying on the pipe for the main tank sticking up clear of any detritus. I personally think the 'sock' ones are rubbish, they get blocked too easily. I replaced the one on my jawa with an older sediment bowl type tap without the gauze filter and fitted an inline paper filter instead.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 26 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the carbs out, clean them properly, run the engine for a bit while dripping Redex into the choke, (mouth of carb) then replace the petrol filter.

If the carbs have diaphragms, check these for damage, (cracks), finally, if this doesnt work, bring the bike to a dyno center where they can check this kind of thing.

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Gazdaman
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 26 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a fair amount of crap in the sediment bit underneath the tap.

We pulled the hose out between the tap and the carb. That was fairly bunged up with crap aswell.

A full clean is going to take place when we've got a spare washer to put the fuel tap back on with. I doubt this stuff has ever been cleaned and hopefully this'll work some wonders for me.

Gaz
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 26 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never replaced a fuel tap sealing washer in my life. I would try it back on and only bother geting a new one if it leaks.
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Gazdaman
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 29 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a day's work on the bike I've stripped the carb down into as many pieces as it goes into.

I've also had the fuel tap off, but it all seemed really clear.

The only thing I found that was a possible cause for the problem was a bit of fluff inside the main jet housing.

I removed that, and on first impressions the bike seems wierd. Top speed seems ever so slightly lower, but it seems more steady, I havn't had a chance to take it out for a proper run yet to see if it still does it.

New air filter comes next.

Gaz
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Gazdaman
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 30 Dec 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went out for a rather eventfull ride today, the bike seems cured.

thanks for the input guys!!

think it must have just been the small bit of fluff/dirt in the main jet housing.

Gaz
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