Is this the standard of employment in the UK now?

[TheBikerStig]

https://www.wetherspoonjobs.co.uk/home/career/staff-vacancies/bar-staff-38032?source=&IND&utm_source=Indeed&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Indeed

Its quite shocking of what they expect in return for minimum wage. If they really want people to achieve such high standards of Cleanliness, Quality, Service, Maintenance, and Atmosphere then surely its only fair to pay them a living wage in return. Pay minimum wage then expect minimum effort. Fuckin wankers.

Heres the mother of all asshole employment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkNO8J4XSIc
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[fatpies]

But government tax credits will top up those wages so it is equivalent to almost a full tome salary.


I've seen it everywhere, do more for less.

Quite oddly my work experience is working against me.

They hired a bloke with 1h experience over nearly a decade. I suppose they can pay him less and he'll be appreciative of the job, plus I suppose they can mould him into what they want.


I'm pretty much approaching my time limit (end of this month) before I start applying for jobs in countries I don't want to go as I'm rather tired of the insecure employment presently.
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[oldpink]

pretty much the norm if your aged between 16 - 25
you are also req to have suitable clothing I.E. Black shoes and trousers which you have to buy

as an employer (small company) I prefer to pay the a living wage as I see my staff as assets not slaves
they make money for the company so are rewarded
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On the positive side at least it's not one of these zero hour contracts that IMHO are an employers wet dream to screw over the staff.

[woodall57]

I used to work at wetherspoon its horrible. You get paid fuck all for standing on your feet for 10 hours having to deal with a load of drunks and take shit from bag heads. Although the regulars are funny. We have one piss head who shakes his pint all over the place when he is drinking yet does not manage to spill one pint hahaha.
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[lihp]

NMW is all I'd expect anybody to pay bar work.

However, what is wrong is paying different levels for ages, you can't pay an 18 year old a lower rate than a 21 year old just because NMW is lower, if both employees have the same role and abilities.
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[covent.gardens]

Sounds about right for a JD Wetherspoon, where you have to wait an hour for a drink as they abandon the first-come-first-serve principle in favour of serve-our-mates-and-then-do-it-random. At the end of the day it's a stop-gap job, a student will typically work there, realise how shit it is and then be motivated to study hard so they can get a better job in the future. To that end, JD are doing a favour to the staff they pay NMW to.

[J4mes]

Can't see any problem with the ad.....they're hardly gonna put "we only pay minimum wage so we expect you to act like a fucking scrote" in the job description, are they?

[The Artist]

Also tips. Mate of mine manages a TGI branch and the tips they get are pretty good % of their wage and they have a similar clothes and work ethic type thing going on.

NMW is BS anyway. Cost of living varies so much all over the place.

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[pinkyfloyd]

Its typical corporate organisation bar work. Scottish and Newcastle, Greene King etc all have the same idea when it comes to bar work. Good parts are working for them gets you money and its not exactly a difficult job.

Bad parts are everything is monitored to the point you even have your own specific key ring which records everything you do on the till. Your bonus pay, as mentioned in the advert, is ridiculous. Your wastage gets monitored and too much wastage gets investigated regardless of reason. I have worked in places where they go as far as a course on pulling the perfect pint with the correct amount of head for GP. Charging double for dashes of coke etc just to help their GP. Especially a place like Wetherspoons because they are so competition driven. Their prices are lower than the pubs in the area and their wastage is monitored a lot more. I've seen someone sacked for wastage in a Greene King bar because there was an issue with the gas and he had to waste a few pints of beer.

Add that to the shit you have to take from the clients when they get pissed up and you refuse to serve them (cant serve drunks under licensing laws remember). And the late hours, its not worth it.
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Its a part time job which would suit a student or whatever.

It's 3 evenings a week and £100 + with no tax to pay. What's the problem again?

Probably more fun than a minimum wage job in Tesco's

[Mark_F]

Considering it's a Wetherspoons, I don't see a great problem (granted they could, and probably should, pay more than an independant pub, but there ya go).

The thing that irks me about this type of work is the apparently more "upmarket" places (like one restaurant near where I live) that do expect more, and correspondingly charge customers significantly more, yet they still only pay minimum wage. If they want to say they are providing that kind of premium service (the kind they are charging for), they should pay their own staff for that kind of service too.

[Lord Percy]

To be honest I don't see anything wrong with the advert at all.

I guess you just need to learn to see through the text and realise it for what it is:

A job in a bar.

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[Al]

At least they don't ask for 'minimum of 3 years bar experience'
Nowadays it seems you can't do even the most basic of jobs without having dedicated your entire life to it.
If you want somebody to sort parcels for minimum wage why not train them for a couple of hours rather then only taking on people with a 5 year parcel sorting apprenticeship.
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[BrownTrousers]

Don't see the problem with the ad. It's clearly a part time role aimed at students or whatever, so no amount of bullshit in their advert is fooling anybody that it's not just any old bar job.

I worked in a pub as a student and it was quite good fun. There are a lot worse NMW jobs out there.

[woodall57]

When I worked there they even had made instruction videos on how we should microwave the hot dogs
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As others have suggested - seems reasonable.

When I worked at Starbucks some of the staff weren't great at meeting such standards, but it's really not hard to do so.

With the size of weatherspoons and the price of their food, I wouldn't expect them to be paying their staff a high wage.

Perfectly possible to 'live' on full time minimum wage if you don't expect to live luxuriously. Even more so with the government benefits you get, to the point you can live luxuriously if you don't have expensive hobbies.

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[GetawayDj]

NMW just says to me, If we could pay you less....We would.

Worked in a few Wetherspoons pubs about 3/4 years ago. Mainly in the kitchen but did the bar every so often. Not the best company to work for by any means but there's probably worse out there. They have such a high staff turnover that they aren't likely to pay anything over NMW.

Wouldnt be too bad if they used it for people just start out in the job and then maybe up it a bit if you're still there after so long.
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