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PostPosted: 23:35 - 01 Mar 2014    Post subject: Shortening Renthal bars . . Reply with quote

I'm wanting to put some Renthals on the Fazer. I'm sort of settled on the medium superbike ones - https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorcycle/handlebars/renthal-superbike-medium-bars

My worry is that at as they are approx 7cm wider than stock bars my filtering ability will suffer.

So, question is - anyone know roughly how much I could lop off the end of the bars before I start running out of room for the switch gear and grips due to the curve on the bar ?
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fit them, attach the bits and the answer to your question will become immediately obvious.

When I've cut-down bars before today, I've done it using a hacksaw with them on the bike anyway. Just because I'm a lazy sod.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a fair amount to drop on bars if you're planning to hack them up anyway.

This question is relevant to my interests, I'm looking for shorter bars for Ze Beemer. It's rather frustrating that the plethora of eBay sellers don't seem minded to give all the measurements.

If you do find a good solution could you please let us know.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buys new bars to make them the same as standard?!?

Sorry, don't get it.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
Buys new bars to make them the same as standard?!?

Sorry, don't get it.


Renthals offer better riding position on the wrists (stock ones bend the wrists out too much), look better and are made of better material-
What's not to get ?

I didn't say I was going for stock length, just that I don't want them so wide I can't filter through London traffic without collecting peoples mirrors on a daily basis. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Shortening Renthal bars . . Reply with quote

Banger wrote:

So, question is - anyone know roughly how much I could lop off the end of the bars before I start running out of room for the switch gear and grips due to the curve on the bar ?


Mark the stock bars just inside the switch housing with a magic marker, remove switchgear, measure from your mark to the end of the bar. This is the minimum straight bar you need for your stuff to fit. Don't forget to also measure from any drilled locating hole to the end of the bar so you can replicate that too AFTER you have cut the renthals down.

TBH you can bend stock bars quite readily if you're unhappy with the angle. Many people ride around all day with bent handlebars and don't even know it.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Re: Shortening Renthal bars . . Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Don't forget to also measure from any drilled locating hole to the end of the bar so you can replicate that too AFTER you have cut the renthals down.


TBH I was going to file the locating pins in the switch gears down to about 1mm and do away with holes, lopping the ends off is one thing but drilling the bars and possibly weakening them . . not so keen.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're supposed to put holes in them, they're not going to weaken the bars too much. Having nothing to secure your housing /throttle to the bars (except tape, which I imagine is what you'd go for) is a bad idea when one day it decides to slip.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something I made an executive decision about a few years back was that if I was unhappy about the shape and positioning of the handlebars and controls on any of my bikes, I would move them to suit me.

I have in the past pissed around for ages with a bike that was causing me discomfort to use/ride.

The fact is, handlebars are not all that expensive and you can always put the originals back on to sell the bike if you want to.

Only thing that sometimes causes an issue is if the new bar or lever position fouls the fairing or means cables don't reach.

For what it's worth. I'd try leaving them long first if your cables reach, you might find you like it. Short, pulled back bars are good for aerodynamics, wide, straighter ones are better for comfort and leverage.

I filed locating tabs off the clamp casting on my latest VFR so I could rotate the bars out further.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't file those pegs off, the bloody housing will rotate on the bar. Weakening the bar isn't an issue, there's no load on it.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a set of renthals on my TTR, I like them nice and wide, except when the trees are really tight.

My switch-gear doesn't slip, no tape holding it in place and no drilled holes. It's just tightened down with screws on the brackets. I think riding through mud, water, crashing, picking it up, crashing, picking it up, bouncing over stuff and then hooning around on the road, may well result in more abuse than a fazer going through traffic, correct me if I'm wrong. I wouldn't worry at all about switch gear slipping.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fladdem wrote:
My switch-gear doesn't slip, no tape holding it in place and no drilled holes. It's just tightened down with screws on the brackets. . . I wouldn't worry at all about switch gear slipping.


I have to agree with this. I have swapped bars and switch gear about in the past, filed back the locating pegs and never had a problem.

Can't help thinking I'm jinxing myself here. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/10 times you will get away with it. Obviously you really shouldn't do it on the throttle side.

Also some Switchgear's are designed without pegs so they are fine.

The problem arises when you find it slips and decide to bodge it with tape or glue etc which usually results in a piss poor fitting switchgear that has gaps round it letting in grot and water eventually fucking up the switchgear.

Basically there is no reason not to drill the bars, it takes seconds and you'd have to be a lazy bodging twunt not to bother.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 02 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ps...I am talking from experience as a lazy bodging twunt, and in reality its just gonna make more work in the long run if you bodge it.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 03 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think 1 1/2" on each side is going to make any difference to your filtering abilities.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 03 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

STONEY! wrote:
9/10 times you will get away with it. Obviously you really shouldn't do it on the throttle side.

Also some Switchgear's are designed without pegs so they are fine.

The problem arises when you find it slips and decide to bodge it with tape or glue etc which usually results in a piss poor fitting switchgear that has gaps round it letting in grot and water eventually fucking up the switchgear.

Basically there is no reason not to drill the bars, it takes seconds and you'd have to be a lazy bodging twunt not to bother.


Well, exactly. Some switchgear is designed to clamp tight on the bars and others just takes a light grip and is located by the peg. I had to re-peg a throttle housing once because it was rotating on the bar when I turned the throttle.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 03 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought cheap second renthals on ebay, measured them against the stock bars and just hacksawed them. drilled a hole for the switch.

easy as that. makes a massive difference to filtering. even an inch either side can make a difference
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 03 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
I don't think 1 1/2" on each side is going to make any difference to your filtering abilities.

Perhaps not, but it's the difference between a butterfly-like brush, and a solid clip.

Fired up by hitting[*] the traffic today, I found the set of cheap bars that I'd bought a while back and swapped them on tonight. It is only about 1 1/2" per side difference, but the difference in hand positioning feels significantly more natural, let alone the reduction in width. Happy chappy.

[*] butterfly-like brushes.
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