Hi to all and all help is great

[Fathead]

Hi guys an gals
First off am new to biking messed about on scooters an scramblers but nothing serious, so am just going to start planning an looking into things right an not rush it for my first proper bike, am not going to mess about with a 125 first as I no that after a month I will want bigger,
So am going to be looking at bikes from 400-600 and just going to have a budget of about £1500 as I no I will prob drop her of do something silly in my learning, and I will be looking at supermoto and super bikes, so all and any advice will be great, am also looking at clothing an if I can pick bits up until I get my licence I will saves paying out loads in one go,
Thanks guys and it's a pleasure to be on the forum

[pinkyfloyd]

Tell me, in your budget, how exactly are you going to get your full licence? And how exactly are you going to drop your bike in your learning? You do know you cannot legally ride your own bike on the roads on L plates unless it is a 125 and you have a valid CBT certificate?
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Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[Teflon-Mike]

How old are you?
If you are under 24, licence laws could rather damp your aspirations, even if your budget doesn't.
Does your £1500 include the £750'ish you are likely to have to pay to do a DAS course to get a licence? and your 'gear'?
Hat, gloves, Jacket, boots? Importantly, locks and chains. Insurance?
Might not be much left to buy a bike after that.
Meanwhile, while I know you so eagerly dismiss 125's.... because you know you will WANT bigger... you do know that you probably don't need more than a 125... youknow most roads in the UK have speed limits on them 125's can break just as readily as big-bikes.. you know? Or maybe you no-Know

What is in the driving seat here; your ego, your wallet or your common sense?

Confucius say; first riding lesson; before man may control motorcycle; first man must control himself, or motorcycle like wild horse with crate of eggs in saddle; wild horse will do as it pleases and eggs soon be omelette.
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[Rogerborg]

If you've already wasted time on tiddlers, then I agree with your plan to skip 125s.

However, you're doing nothing until you're licensed up, so your first port of call is the local training schools to find one with non-dickhead instructors and reasonable rates for CBT and a training course leading to an A2 license (if you're 19-23) or an A license (24+).

If you're 17 or 18 then just do the CBT and get yourself any old 125, because you won't be riding anything bigger until you're 19.
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[Fathead]

Thanks for the replys so far, am 31 one so not a young pup, the budget of £1500 was just for the bike alone not the licence r any gear as an hoping to just pick gear up over the next few months, it's going to be a few months before I do anything as my car an other odds are paid off so will be about £400 a month better off so just thougt it's time to get something I've always wanted, so am just looking around trying to get as much advice as poss before I do anything as I don't want to jump straight in an then think o god what have I done, so just planning and researching for a but first
I all so live on the wirral so if anyone knows a good place round here that would be great

[Rogerborg]

Ah, good stuff.

So we're clear, to get a full A license now you have to pass your tests (two of 'em) on a bike that's 595cc+ and at least 40kW / 54hp. Think ER6-n, Suzuki SVF650 (Gladius) or similar. The vast majority of people do that by going via a training school to get instruction and use of their bike.

By the time you've done that, you should be confident riding a 600+ bike, so there's no need to look at anything smaller unless you particularly want to.

I'd encourage you to wring the neck of the training bike and figure out what you do and don't like about it. Then you can make your decision based on that. Some people (self included) like lazy low down torque, some like revvy high end power, it's all good as long as you're happy.

The usual first bike candidates in your budget are Bandit, Hornet, Fazer, or if you like sportier, the CBR600F. Supermotos tend to come with a premium, you'll be hard pressed to find something like a DR-Z400 in budget.

tl;dr - CBR600F.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[Fathead]

Thanks you've just named all the bikes I've been looking at haha, will research the bikes an have a good look at pros an cons I've got the time so it's all good, also want to start looking at gear an go from there,

[Rogerborg]

eBay and Gumtree are decent sources of used gear - there's plenty of genuine "worn once" stuff out there at knock down prices. The majority of my gear is pre-sweated-in, which means that I've got a good selection of leathers, kevlar-denims and cordura textiles to choose from.

A helmet's the only thing I'd always buy new, although some folk do even gamble on a used one Paddy.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[Fathead]

Yeah been looking at gear just being nosey at stuff, will get a set of leathers and a set of water proofs, just don't know what lid to get, I won't buy cheap as I've only got 1 head an fancy keeping it right were it is

[pinkyfloyd]

[Fathead]

Thanks am going down to my local shop tomorrow to just have a little look around, an will speak to the guys in there

[Fathead]

Is there a safety rating list for helmets at all?

[Dave70]

[Rogerborg]

I was determined that my first helmet should be SHARP 5* rated. Fortunately, I also got one that fitted and did me just fine for a couple of years.

Now, I'm not that fussed. The range of circumstances in which it'll make a difference is tiny. If you're going to assume worst case scenarios, don't get on a bike.

Out of two identical helmets, I'd have the higher rated one, but I wouldn't trade fit, features or more than a few £££ price difference for it.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[Fathead]

The way I see it if am on a bike an someone hits me hard don't see much saving me, just will save the look of me haha, just want something that is a hard helmet and won't shatter if something does happen, am going down to mariots to just have a little look at things, I do agree you could have an expensive helmet yet but could be really I comfy an be worse off

[pinkyfloyd]

Just go to the shop. Select about 5 you like the look of in your price range. Chose the one that fits the best. Simple.
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illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[Rogerborg]

[Fathead]

O right ok had the wrong idea in my head then