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FiBob
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Biker Research - Ideas Wanted Reply with quote

Hi all,

This may seem a little odd, but my inner researcher is missing doing proper, worthwhile work, and I've decided to do something bike orientated - and I'm looking for your input. It's been waaay too long since I've had a paper published.

What research do you think the biking community would benefit from the most?

I'm thinking something orientated around bike safety, but should this be a re-look at the most common reasons (it's been a while since this has been done), an exploration of the efficiency of protection, a look at where our accidents happen most often... or something else? Or something completely different? The idea behind this only came to me about ten minutes ago, so I thought I'd turn to a community where the input would be relevant.

Also, would you be willing to take part in a survey or something, once it's been put together to help me?

If anyone out there wants to give me a hand, the more the merrier Very Happy

Thanks guys,

Fi
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Biker Research - Ideas Wanted Reply with quote

FiBob wrote:
...I'm thinking something orientated around bike safety...

Leg protectors. Trust me, the biking community will love you for it Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helmets with a HUD, we've not seen any smart helmets on here either.......
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always happy to do a survey if it helps.

Before I offer suggestions, where would you get your data from? I think it would be hard to get hold of the data required to establish whether or not (for example) full leathers/textiles reduce severity of injury. And what data are you able to capture? Is it purely from a survey circulated on BCF or are you thinking of obtaining data from other sources?

In essence, are you surveying this forum or are you going to be using real world data?
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baffler186 wrote:
Always happy to do a survey if it helps.

Before I offer suggestions, where would you get your data from? I think it would be hard to get hold of the data required to establish whether or not (for example) full leathers/textiles reduce severity of injury. And what data are you able to capture? Is it purely from a survey circulated on BCF or are you thinking of obtaining data from other sources?

In essence, are you surveying this forum or are you going to be using real world data?


While I would like to use your input from surveys, the data will be real world data. Obtained from other sources. It will depend on the subject topic as to where I seek my sources. A forum is not a wide enough resource to quantify research Smile
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deffo Hi-Viz.

There has been a complete lack of discussion relating to the benefits of dressing like a bin man whilst riding a bike Thumbs Up

People will deify you for researching this, trust me Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Deffo Hi-Viz.

There has been a complete lack of discussion relating to the benefits of dressing like a bin man whilst riding a bike Thumbs Up

People will deify you for researching this, trust me Thumbs Up


There has been a cycling study about it, comparing different types of clothing, and measured the average passing distance by motorised traffic.

iirc, high vis caused traffic to pass him closer than without.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the input so far - keep the ideas coming!
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Deffo Hi-Viz.

There has been a complete lack of discussion relating to the benefits of dressing like a bin man whilst riding a bike Thumbs Up ...

*cough* 18 years ago now, but still done - see Motorcycle rider conspicuity and crash related injury: case-control study. Conclusion, yes it is a benefit.

Perhaps could do with an update as hiviz now widespread (can even get the likes of dog coats) so is the impact (no pun intended) less, more or the same. i.e. Do people still see hi-viz (and reflective luminescence) clothing?

Or in the spirit of OP post can research (you know, lies, damn lies and statistics) prove commuting by motorcycle is cost effective, environmentally friendly, kind to kittens, benefits business and not as dangerous as some would have you believe. I'm just talking commuting here, not your weekend warrior, my bike is a playtoy or look at the chrome on that Harley shine brigade.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Biker Research - Ideas Wanted Reply with quote

map wrote:
Leg protectors. Trust me, the biking community will love you for it Very Happy

Oh, they'll be mandated by Ze Germans the EU anyway.

https://i59.tinypic.com/2rwni28.jpg

OP, the question that I have for you is the same one that I have when I'm asked to do anything: what's the point?

What power do you have to affect the real world?

What quantifiable changes will result from our responses?

If you're just "writing papers", why not just invent whatever data supports the conclusion that you want? Non hypothetically.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explore the benefits of having a sidestand put on both sides in order to make tipping the bike over while having sex on it less of a likely outcome.

You will need a number of bikes, a bucket of Viagra and some guy with a welder and a load of old sidestands.

Would be the most useful piece of research ever done
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Biker Research - Ideas Wanted Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


OP, the question that I have for you is the same one that I have when I'm asked to do anything: what's the point?

What power do you have to affect the real world?

What quantifiable changes will result from our responses?

If you're just "writing papers", why not just invent whatever data supports the conclusion that you want? Non hypothetically.


There's two reasons for it: one, I'm bored and miss researching and writing - this is something close to my heart. And two, if no one does anything, we cannot make a difference. My research alone will not change regulations, but it will heighten awareness. And if it's something relevant to riders about topics such as protection, it will help them make informed decisions. If it's related to road statistics, then it will (potentially, results pending) reinforce the notion that car drivers just don't see us - numbers can be hard hitting - and it can be used as a starting point to make some changes somewhere to regulations or training. If we don't try, we will never get anywhere.

Having been knocked off my bike by a car, who went into the back of me, not only am I aware that car drivers see right through us, but I know my gear saved my life, and my injuries were no where near as bad as they could have been. That's why I thought about the protection route - it's good to have facts, not opinions, to inform our decisions when buying, or not buying, something which could minimise damage.


I'm not having a go, and I appreciate that you were willing to question my motives and what I hope to achieve - and I would appreciate more of the same if the discussion goes further.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

But accident and injury stats are reported very frequently by dft so that would likely be a waste of your time.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
But accident and injury stats are reported very frequently by dft so that would likely be a waste of your time.


I'm not just going to report stats, if I was looking at that, then I'd want to explore data that isn't frequently used - speaking to those involved if possible, and I'm thinking utilising the growing popularity of the GoPro etc - examining the footage. A little like the Hurt study back in 1981, where they examined the scene of the crash, then returned to the site on the same day of the week, at the same time of day, under the same environmental conditions to measure traffic volumes etc. there are plenty of avenues to take the research, I just wondered what you guys thought was most important to you, what would you lie to see being reported. Smile
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Biker Research - Ideas Wanted Reply with quote

FiBob wrote:
if no one does anything, we cannot make a difference. My research alone will not change regulations, but it will heighten awareness.

Thanks, that's all I needed to know.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Print out loads of stickers saying filtering is legal, with a wee piccy of a bike between two cars and slap them on petrol pumps throughout the country.

That would be considerably more helpful than reminding us that bikers die a lot and Hivis was useful in kiwiland 20 years ago.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Biker Research - Ideas Wanted Reply with quote

FiBob wrote:
I know my gear saved my life, and my injuries were no where near as bad
In that case, I'd be interested to see the level of injury from wearers of full leathers/textiles versus none at all (ie. just jeans or tracksuits). I guess you could judge severity on whether they needed further surgery or treatment, follow-up appointments etc. I'm not sure if/how they classify the severity of injuries (is there a scale they use in the emergency department?) but I'm sure as a researcher you'd find that out.

other things that would interest me:

Percentage of accidents where motorcycle was speeding versus not speeding.

Percentage of accidents involving 16 - 18 year olds, and/or mopeds.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Re: Biker Research - Ideas Wanted Reply with quote

FiBob wrote:
Having been knocked off my bike by a car, who went into the back of me, not only am I aware that car drivers see right through us, but I know my gear saved my life, and my injuries were no where near as bad as they could have been. That's why I thought about the protection route - it's good to have facts, not opinions, to inform our decisions when buying, or not buying, something which could minimise damage.


I'm glad you added the "not buying". It was beginning to sound like you were essentially on a mission to supply Eurotards with a mandate to issue blanket legislation requiring officially approved safety gear at all times, something I've been fighting since the Eighties.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find an issue then decide to do research, don't decide to do research then find an issue, it is moronic.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Find an issue then decide to do research, don't decide to do research then find an issue, it is moronic.


Oh do f*ck off mate. If you're not interested in helping, then don't try and put a downer on it. I have my own ideas as to what to look at, but I want to do something my fellow bikers would want to see - it's not every day you get some input on stuff like this.

Everyone else - that's great! When I'm finished work this afternoon I'll start putting the plan together. Your input and ideas are valued, and I'm glad you've gotten involved Smile
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

FiBob wrote:
it's not every day you get some input on stuff like this.


It's every year though when students join up to post surveys though Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:

It's every year though when students join up to post surveys though Laughing


Haha yeah Phil, but students don't publish papers, don't get as noticed outside of academia, and I'm not a student! Razz
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Deffo Hi-Viz.


I was being ironic...

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
Print out loads of stickers saying filtering is legal, with a wee piccy of a bike between two cars and slap them on petrol pumps throughout the country.

That would be considerably more helpful than reminding us that bikers die a lot and Hivis was useful in kiwiland 20 years ago.


Lets get the BCF logo on there too.

It could read - BCF says "Bikes Can Filter Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

FiBob wrote:
chris-red wrote:
Find an issue then decide to do research, don't decide to do research then find an issue, it is moronic.


Oh do f*ck off mate. If you're not interested in helping, then don't try and put a downer on it. I have my own ideas as to what to look at, but I want to do something my fellow bikers would want to see - it's not every day you get some input on stuff like this.


He's right though. You're finding research for research's sake. Who is paying for you to do this work by the way?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 24 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

He's right though. You're finding research for research's sake. Who is paying for you to do this work by the way?


No one is paying me. It's an area that isn't really focused on, and if no one will look at it, then it will never get the attention it deserves.

Just because I'd rather put together a research paper - which I do not get paid for publishing either! - doesn't mean you should diss it. That's like people doing other things they enjoy for the sake of it - that's human nature, it's what we do. Research is my thing, so why not make it on a worthwhile subject. To me, it beats being creative writing a fictional novel.
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