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Posted: 13:47 - 05 Aug 2014 Post subject: |
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Slight off topic and largely unreported due to the situation in Gaza.
https://m.hrw.org/news/2014/08/03/israel-shooting-deaths-after-west-bank-protest-0
So what's the excuse here. No Hamas, no rockets being fired, no tunnels... ____________________ There ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk.
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Posted: 17:09 - 05 Aug 2014 Post subject: |
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G wrote: | Also, it's ok to disagree with the actions of an organisation/area which launches indiscriminate attacks on civilians, that murders political opponents, that severely restricts the rights of women, that was founded partly with the intention to irradicate a neighbour. |
Which is exactly what several of us are doing here, because as far as I can see the only difference in this description between the Israeli government and Hamas is the 'severely restricts the rights of women' bit, which although deplorable, is probably the least deadly of the items in your list.
Also, there has been considerable attention given to British Muslims traveling to Syria or Palestine to fight, whereas it would appear that people are all cool with 1000 American Jews or 100 British Jews traveling to Isreal to conscript in the IDF with the sole purpose of shooting Muslims... ____________________ "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson
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Posted: 19:36 - 07 Aug 2014 Post subject: |
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It is entirely possible to hold the view that Palestinians are being fucked over, and to think that Muslims in ISIS could be atrocious cunts.
Its not at all difficult in fact. You should try it..
EDIT: Its not just Muslims protesting about whats happening in Gaza. In fact I would guess most of the figures in the public eye who are 'protesting' are not Muslim in any way... ____________________ "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson
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Because there are different factions in Islam, much like there are different factions in Christianity.
Consider say China, country full of Chinese people right? Sure if you use a vague description of them.
Go down one step and its 95% Han still highly homogeneous right?
Except those 95% are divided by cultures, traditions, religions and many many things which divides them. Go somewhere in Northern China and outside China they'll say I'm from whatever province, much like Americans who will say they are Texans or New Yorkers before the country.
So while you have an umbrella term like Muslims or Chinese, this is just a lazy umbrella term. Consider the UK, Yorkshire men, Scots all consider their own identities first but all come under the term British.
You look at me and might think bloke from China (you're wrong). So a massive earth quake happens in China (like a few days ago) I don't exactly shed tears for them as they aren't really my people. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Plenty of people have arced up about ISIS. I difference is with ISIS not being a country there's nobody to actually complain to.
Also if you look all of the stories come from the same Christian activist.
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Protests from Muslims and large amounts of other nationalities, religions and unaffiliated people regarding Palestine I think is more accurate. But theres also been plenty of disgust expressed surrounding ISIS, in media and otherwise. The difference when comparing this and Syria for example to the Israel-Palestine issue is there are two heavily armed, heavily funded, and heavily trained combat forces ''battling it out'' if you will. Hamas Vs IDF was a fairly obvious result - not to say Hamas themselves didn't deserve the result.
The irony with Iraq and ISIS at the moment is Iraq should have the defensive forces in place to provide some sort of sufficient defence against ISIS - especially after they were 'liberated' and then given large amounts of training and funding from the wisdom of the U.S. The reality is many of the Iraqi armed forces are little more than conscripts working for whatever money they can get as a result of their other working options being destroyed through the invasion - as with Afghanistan. If you destroy someones farm ''because poppys'' and leave lots of men without means to fund their families, not suprisingly when Mr Taliban or similar comes along offering a pay-cheque they suddenly become ''militants'', especially after witnessing years of violence, brutality and destruction.
So when ISIS ''comes to town'' commiting the atrocities they are, not suprisingly most of the IA are ditching their weapons and running away/joining ISIS - One supressor to another. ISIS is no doubt committing absolutely horrific actions at the moment - but shock tactics work.
In more recent times, to name a few - Germany used them in WW2, America used them in ''Shock and awe'' - an appropriate definition for their second Gulf war invasion. The fact ISIS is using similar tactics with much success now is no suprise, whether its beheading kids in the street, or inadvertantly bombing kids and everything else from a jet that can't even be seen, it has the same result on the population. Whats more suprising is the shock Western nations seem to have at just how successful they've been. But after various invasions of the Middle East its not suprising - they've had the U.S and allies to show them which tactics work - Making people feel terrified and powerless gets what you want. |
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Rockets fired from Gaza again. ____________________ Yamaha RXS 100 > Honda CD 250 > Honda Hornet 600 > Honda CBR 600RR > Yamaha RXS 100 > Kawasaki ZX6R J2 > Yamaha FZ1 |
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Wow, shooting protestors - Bad times |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 9 years, 188 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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