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PostPosted: 00:26 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Another "What gaming PC?" thread Reply with quote

I'm looking for a new gaming machine, as my gaming laptop is now not able to play newer games at the native 1080p resolution on lowest settings. Luckily I now have the luxury of a desk that I can have a full desktop set up on.

My budget is £1000 for the system, not including peripherals. I want to play Battlefield 4 at 1080p on ultra settings.
I'm looking at:
Intel i5 4690K (I wont need the extra threads of an i7)
Nvidia GTX970 (money saved on an i7 on the GPU)
16GB RAM
I have a 250GB SSD in my laptop that I'll use as the boot drive, with a 1TB spinner for media.

A look at some pre built systems I've found:
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/ocuk_titan_tanto_dc.jpg

and

https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/scan_3xs_nanu_ultimate.jpg

The Scan 3XS is a little more expensive and over my budget. I am leaning towards it though. I like the idea of the smaller form factor, as well as the H80 water cooler. The Scan PC comes with a 700w PSU too.

As there are a lot of experienced PC builders on here, I thought I'd ask. If anyone knows of any better specs for the same money or the same specs for less I'd appreciate it. I've also built systems before, so wouldn't mind doing it again if it saves money.

Thanks in advance. Karma
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PostPosted: 05:55 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to be looking at the GTX 970 Ti graphics, the Ti bit makes things alot better and shizzle.

Ditch the Corsair cooler and get an Antec Kuhler 650.

There have been a few threads on BCF alone about the Corsair shitting it's self and opting for early retirement.

Kudos for the Fractal Design case. They make some shit hot cases, just ask me and Phil (lihp on here).
Build quality and customer service is excellent.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cooler says "customised", so I don't know if the antec will fit the mini itx case.

the 950 certainly wouldn't fit mine.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
The cooler says "customised", so I don't know if the antec will fit the mini itx case.

the 950 certainly wouldn't fit mine.


Hence why I mentioned the 650.
Much thinner than the 920/950
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Previous post mentions a 970 ti. ....no such thing only 970 exists, there was a 780ti before but it's still more expensive and overkill for bf 1080p unless your going for lots of frames and your monitor is a 144hz . 2 your power supply at 700w is overkill for it even with gpu and cpu overclocked a 500 psu is more than enough and has a little room with overclocking in mind unless you are planning to sli at later date which then it's fine.
You could save further dosh with going with a 280x amd card which should save you another 50 - 100 quid depending on where you get it from and it will play bf at ultra no worries.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could also change down ram to 1600 has 2133 isn't going to actually benefit your gaming.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget the Small 3XS system, it will severely limit your upgrade path in the future.

If you can build the PC yourself you will have a far higher spec machine, is it something you would consider doing?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need for 16gb of RAM in a gaming system, drop to 8gb, spend more on the graphics card.

Oh, Fractcal cases are absolutely epic!
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Razzy wrote:
Previous post mentions a 970 ti. ....no such thing


Well... something new everyday and all that jazz.

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PostPosted: 12:52 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liam_ wrote:
Forget the Small 3XS system, it will severely limit your upgrade path in the future.


In what way?
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Razzy wrote:

You could save further dosh with going with a 280x amd card which should save you another 50 - 100 quid depending on where you get it from and it will play bf at ultra no worries.


If he wants to do BF4 at ultra and keep 60fps at even the busiest parts, he will need more than a 280x

The 280x is fine in most areas of BF4, but some maps and situations can drag frames down to 40 or so.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

At 40 frames it's not going to make a difference from 60 really and it's trying to save some money for him. Myself I would go for the 970 and wait till the black friday cyber monday sales for further savings.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Razzy wrote:
At 40 frames it's not going to make a difference from 60 really


Because "more cinematic"
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Razzy wrote:
At 40 frames it's not going to make a difference from 60 really and it's trying to save some money for him. Myself I would go for the 970 and wait till the black friday cyber monday sales for further savings.


It's quite noticeable to be honest, especially on a FPS.

Only need to turn a couple of options down to get it, but what's the point in spending that much money to not be able to run a current game maxxed out?
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've made up a few baskets. Building the system myself is definately the way to go. I can get a much better spec machine.

So I've tweaked a few things. I've gone to a Midi tower. I can accomodate it, and save money on the case and motherboard if I do. I've also gone down to 8GB RAM, as your advice, it's all you need for gaming. I've kept it as 2133Mhz as it should help with overclocking. I've gone with a 550W gold PSU. I found a Mobo/CPU bundle saving a little more cash.

I've stuck with the Corsair H80i water cooler, but I'm considering changing it for an Antec Kuhler 950 as it is cheaper and it was mentioned the Corsair isn't reliable.

So now I have another conundrum. All this money saving has given me two options. Take the money and run, or put it towards a GTX980. The only question I have is, I am going to be playing at 1080p, would the GTX980 be worth it?

Here's the baskets:

GTX980
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/ocuk_basket_gtx980.jpg

GTX970
https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/ocuk_basket_gtx970.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Windows 8.1

I know of a way to save £77 Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Windows 8.1

I know of a way to save £77 Shocked Laughing


Yep, i'd also drop the water cooler unless you are planning on overclocking. and perhaps put an i7 in with the saving.

CaNsA wrote:
In what way?

The size of the case, space is limited. It will require a micro motherboard with fewer expansion slots (PCIe & Memory) and you be limiting your choice of motherboard.
Space will also be tight for graphics cards, if they get any bigger then you may not be able to use it.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liam_ wrote:
I'd also drop the water cooler unless you are planning on overclocking. and perhaps put an i7 in with the saving.


I do plan on overclocking the i5. I don't think I'd need the extra threads of an i7. Gaming is going to be the most strenous task the machine will do. No video editing.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rowey wrote:
Liam_ wrote:
I'd also drop the water cooler unless you are planning on overclocking. and perhaps put an i7 in with the saving.


I do plan on overclocking the i5. I don't think I'd need the extra threads of an i7. Gaming is going to be the most strenous task the machine will do. No video editing.


i7 is a waste for gaming.

Also, as Craig said before, ditch the Corsair cooler and get an Antec.

Many, many reports of Corsair sealed watercoolers failing.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
Also, as Craig said before, ditch the Corsair cooler and get an Antec.

Many, many reports of Corsair sealed watercoolers failing.


Will do. Planning on getting the Antec Kuhler 950. It's about £50 online, so £20 cheaper. Overclockers dont sell the Antec, so I included the corsair just for completion.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful with the Z97-K - it supports crossfire but not SLI.
Z97-A
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z97a

Z97-K
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z97kcsm

EDIT:
the kuhler 1250 might be worth an extra tenner?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Antec-Kuhler-1250-Cooling-Radiator/dp/B00F2WOQHY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415895168&sr=8-1&keywords=Kuhler+1250
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liam_ wrote:
CaNsA wrote:
In what way?

The size of the case, space is limited. It will require a micro motherboard with fewer expansion slots (PCIe & Memory) and you be limiting your choice of motherboard.
Space will also be tight for graphics cards, if they get any bigger then you may not be able to use it.


Hardly "severe" considering micro-ATX motherboards are not a rarity.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
Be careful with the Z97-K - it supports crossfire but not SLI.


Oh good find. I didn't see that. I might want to SLi it in the future...

Can anyone recomend a similiar priced Mobo with SLi? I think I may be asking a bit too much, but I would like SLi, good audio for headphones and overclocking functionality. I chose Asus as they've always been reliable. I've had MSI and Gigabyte in the past, which wern't as stable or reliable. What are good manufacturers these days?

EDIT:
Found this bundle for £3 more.
Gigabyte Z97X-SLI with i5 4690K. What do you guys think?

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
The kuhler 1250 might be worth an extra tenner?


Will i need the extra cooling? I'm going for an i5 4690K and will be happy with 4.2-4.4Ghz overclock.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the 1250, it will run quieter, and stop spunking over corsair.
Stick with Fractal Design cases.

OCUK don't stock them though because OCUK got all pissy with Fractal Design over something trivial.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 13 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Liam_ wrote:
The size of the case, space is limited. It will require a micro motherboard with fewer expansion slots (PCIe & Memory) and you be limiting your choice of motherboard.
Space will also be tight for graphics cards, if they get any bigger then you may not be able to use it.


Hardly "severe" considering micro-ATX motherboards are not a rarity.


Yea ok, you keep arguing your point "IT Guru" Rolling Eyes
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