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Dave70
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Something's slipping. Any Ideas/Suggestions? Reply with quote

Over the past couple of months, usually when travelling at 60+mph, I've felt as though something has slipped on the bike. It feels like it's something connected to the rear wheel.

Initially I thought that maybe the chain was slack but, it is absolutely fine. The sprockets look fine too and they were replaced less than 5,000 miles ago and were a decent quality branded set.

The "slip" only lasts a split second and it doesn't always happen, just now and then. It's probably something simple but, I'm not at all up to speed with the mechanical side of things, so any ideas would be helpful. I've heard of something called clutch slip but, I have no idea what the tell tale signs of that is, all I can say is that apart from this issue, everything else appears fine. Would the clutch slipping do this?

The bike is a R125 and has been well maintained and looked after since new and has done around 28,000 miles.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC to test for clutch slip, at a low speed, put it in top gear and give it some welly. If the revs rise but your speed doesn't, your clutch is slipping.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only two things that CAN slip are the clutch or the back tyre. Everything else is rigidly attached together.

I doubt it's spinning up the rear wheel so you're left with clutch slip where the sandwich of metal and cork plates, held together with springs, that transmit the power from the engine to the gearbox aren't gripping together properly.

Can be because they are broken, worn, glazed or that the springs have lost some of their springiness. The only way to find out which is to dismantle the clutch. That's not a huge job but does involve draining the oil and removing one of the engine side-covers.

The friction clutch-plates and springs are a wearable componant and are relatively inexpensive to replace.

Check your clutch cable is correctly adjusted for free-play first though.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. Thumbs Up

I'll give snoos tip a try first and see what happens.

As for taking things apart, although it's not a big job as such, I only have the back alley way to work on my bike, so will probably let someone who knows what they're doing have a look and do the job, as I wouldn't know what to look for as such, even with stinkwheels very helpful description.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is clutch slip, but doesn't happen all the time, can you get it to happen by gently squeezing the clutch lever gradually as you are riding normally?

Does it feel the same?

The only other thing I can think of in the drive train, is the Cush Drive Rubbers, but not sure what you might feel if they are shot.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
If it is clutch slip, but doesn't happen all the time, can you get it to happen by gently squeezing the clutch lever gradually as you are riding normally?

Does it feel the same?

The only other thing I can think of in the drive train, is the Cush Drive Rubbers, but not sure what you might feel if they are shot.


I've not had any issues using the clutch itself. I often feather the clutch in certain situations when riding and all is normal.

The only way I can describe how it feels is, it is what you would expect it to feel like if your chain slipped a link or two but, the chain is at the correct tension and the sprockets are fine.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you trying to describe slipping, rise in revs but not in road speed.

Or are you trying to describe a momentary loss of power?
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aff wrote:
Are you trying to describe slipping, rise in revs but not in road speed.

Or are you trying to describe a momentary loss of power?


I don't lose any power or speed as it doesn't last long enough.

There's no noticeable difference in engine sound, it is just something I can feel happening. It feels like either the chain or rear tyre has slipped when accelerating in 5th or 6th gear. It lasts less than a second.

The "slip" happens and is followed by a small jolt type of feeling. Almost what you would expect it to feel like if the chain had slipped over a link or two and then caught back onto the sprocket teeth. This is the best way I can think of describing it.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

check your sprockets for a broken tooth/loose bolts - unlikely but takes literally two mintes to whip the front sprocket cover off and then check all teeth are still there.

check rear wheel alignment. If it's massively out could casue a slight jolt when the teeth and links don't mesh nicely. Again quite unlikely given that you would probably notice other bad things first, but it's a quick check.

sprocket carrier bearing worn / blown up. Again, it's relatively easy to check if you have a centre stand or a paddock stand. Bit more time consuming though. Take off the rear wheel. Pull the sprocket from the holder. Find the bearing and give it a good feel for smoothness.
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