V-Twin 650ishers

[Kaya75]

Hey wet windy Sunday in front of fire reading up and dreaming of dusty summer rides then..

Anyhow I got my DAS booked in a couple of weeks and have being reading about v-twins and IL4's which adds to my understanding as to why bikers have multiple bikes...

Regardless, I'd be looking at getting a v-twin around 650cc. I can't afford a v-strom in fairness I'd probably be looking at £2k max (inc insurance!!) for a while. I'm a old git and I remember the first time I saw the bandits and monsters, also I've just being reading a old thread and some people suggested a Honda bros ? Is this the same as a NT??

One more thing, is a V Twin at 90 degrees mean that the cylinders are at right angles? So does this mean V-twin lumps are also configured in the degrees that the cylinders oppose each other?

I know this is a horses for courses thread, but the big ole naked monster thump thumps types attract me, I'll admit I more into tractor noises than F1 - plus I fear of get into trouble on a il4 if I need to thrash it's make to it screeeeeeeem, the trouble is I've no clue if these big ole naked monster types are suitable or not..

Thanks for any advice / musings

[Rogerborg]

Just to queer your pitch, have you considered a big single?

I wouldn't want to do motorway work on one, but they do deliver the goods low down.
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[Snod Blatter]

A Honda Bros is an NTV stripped of its useful touring stuff and given a silly chain drive instead. They're okay, but I don't see the appeal when you could have an NTV.

A 90 degree V does indeed mean they're at right angles but it doesn't necessarily mean the pins on the crankshaft are also at 90 degrees, they can be varied to reduce vibration. Just as the NTV has a 52 degree V but the crank pins are offset (don't know what to?) to reduce vibration.

I wouldn't get too hung up on it though, less cylinders does tend to mean less peak power but more torque but it's only a function of tuning and perhaps even marketing by now. An SV650 is quite a revvy thing compared to, say, a XJ600 or even any IL4 car engine. Plus big cylinders can be very lumpy and a bit difficult to deal with, they're not everyone's cup of tea!
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[Taught2BCauti...]

I believe the Bros was a 400cc V Twin, and the 650cc version was called the Hawk.

The degrees mentioned, refer to the angle made between the centre-lines of the cylinders, but I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Vee engines have issues with crankshaft balancing, but this is compensated for in the design, so again, not much to worry about from an owner's perspective.
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[nowhere.elysium]

Aside from being chain driven, I'd personally recommend an SV650 over an NTV, but that's purely down to the fact that NTVs are older (therefore more likely to be ragged/requiring a bit more spannering input), and I don't like non-90 degree Vs.

That said, NTVs have got the massive advantage of shaft drive, and if you go the whole hog and get a Deauville, you've got shaft drive, full fairings and integrated luggage.
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[Rogerborg]

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Take a 600 big single and a 600cc sports bike both in a gear geared for 75mph and the sports bike will be way more responsive rolling on at low revs.

Torque figures are all well and good, but to give a useful indication, you need to factor in gearing which reduces them.

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[MCN.]

[hmmmnz]

ill put it out there, dont discount parallel twins,
the tdms and trx850s are both awesome, with the 270' crank they react exactly the same as a vtwin, and a tdm can be bought for peanuts

failing that a good old gs500 er5 cb500 are all good commuter style parallel twins,
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[Pigeon]

I've been coveting Moto Guzzi V7 Stone for a couple of years.
55mpg, shaft drive, 22ltr tank good for 265 miles, easy servicing and a bit of character.
Second hand prices of most bikes seems high to me though.

Not sure if Monsters are available at that price. SV650 would be. The non-S version has a more upright position.

Africa Twin might be, but they are/were popular again so second hand prices went up.

[Pigeon]

[hmmmnz]

yeah the kawasaki er6 has a 270' crank (which is the same as a 90' vtwin angles)
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[1cyl]

As Borg said. Try a big single OP. Much fun in many types and you won't find a more thumping soundtrack .
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[Ribenapigeon]

Get your licence then spend a couple of weeks going round the local dealers trying everything and anything out. You might be surprised what you find you actually like.

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