Poverty by Mori

[Vincent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHamsi388tc

Is poverty only measured by the worst extreme? In other words, kids in the UK can't be living in poverty as the kids in the Ukraine are having to live in the sewers and eat worms?

I don't think so.

If children are not being fed properly......and/or kept warm at home because there's not enough money in the household...it's poverty.

If children can't be fed properly or kept warm at home when both parents are working, it's criminal.

IMO.
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[Polarbear]

Agreed. Wait for the - It's their own fault
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[Lord Percy]

Quite interesting

I thought it kind of changed the goalposts a bit though.

The first and second points it raises are what I would consider to be proper poverty. And the thing about fair wages/working conditions is true.

But the rest seemed more like social and cultural problems with much deeper causes. e.g, like the video suggests, I worked a job with absolutely no sense of aspiration to get anywhere else in life, and it was really shitty unsocial hours quite a lot of the time so friends and family always took a back seat, however the money I got, although not much, was enough for me to live absolutely fine and I would be pretty insulted to think they're bringing up that aspect of life in a video about poverty.

The video definitely covered loads of things which I think do all 100% exist in the UK, but to me it goes well beyond the scope of just 'poverty'. A lot of it is cultural, for example we all work so hard because everyone else does it, we think it's the norm to put your own life on hold. I remember my old boss once saying, "If you aren't willing to do overtime here, then you shouldn't have taken the bloody job." It's this kind of attitude which plunges people into what I guess could be called social poverty.

Also it mentions how certain sections of society are under-represented in the media. Again that's really just cultural poverty, more to do with social inclusion, recognition and opportunity, rather than any mention of dire need for food or whatever. Yes that may be a result for some, but the main factor is the feeling of resentment at not being part of society.

Still it all needs fixing though so it's good that the points were raised in that video. I 100% agree with at all but, at least as far as my other recent 'poverty' threads go, the video does broaden the definition of the word. Not saying it's wrong though. Social/cultural poverty is a huge thing in the UK, in my opinion.

[Vincent]

I sometimes wonder how much of a concerted effort is made by the powers that be to hide "poverty" in the UK ......the blanket ban on drinking in public certainly had a big effect on the homeless side of things. For eg, you can never find a tramp now when you need one Waifs and strays are no longer allowed to accumulate in public and begging took a big hit after the influx of "aggressive beggars" from other parts of Europe in the '90s.
It seems that there are very few inexpensive places for people to gather and mix socially now too, pubs have closed at an alarming rate - it's hard to imagine that in the late '70s, vurtually all pubs were either busy or packed to capacity......all nights except Sunday and most days Where do people mix now? Online?
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[Skudd]

These researchers never seem to be in any poverty. Too busy doing surveys on the damn obvious.
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Joseph Rowntree Foundation 2013 accounts

Wages and salaries £12,272,000
Compensation for loss of office £359,000
National Insurance contributions £862,000
Other pension costs £1,113,000
Total £14,606,000


Higher paid employees:

2 x £50,001 - £60,000
5 x £70,001 - £80,000
1 x £80,001 - £90,000
1 x £100,001 - £110,000
1 x £150,001 - £160,000

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[Polarbear]

[Lord Percy]

[Vincent]

I think pubs were having problems before the internet became popular . It was when they all started to sell food and install TVs.

It was probably the supermarkets doing deals on 6-packs of Carlsberg combined with price hikes for draught beer that began to wipe them out.

I'd love to see more popular public venues crop up....before people completetly lose the ability to physicaly interact with other real life humans. "No eye communacation" as Marriane Faithfull called interacting on the phone...can't be as good for society as real life social intercourse.

Local West Mids BBC news mentioned the council closing down some youth centres this week....it's all such a shame. Maybe the treasury should use some of the £4 Billion it's cost to renovate the Houses Of Parliament on projects like this. They'll be moaning about kids hanging in about on the streets now and asbos will follow .....are they still using asbos?
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[Polarbear]

[Vincent]

[G]

Poverty is measured by inequality of income I believe.

If someone is earning £100k a year, but spends a significant amount of that on drugs and hookers, not leaving enough to feed their kids decently, does that make them 'in poverty'?

If not; at what point is it acceptable to say "well, other people receiving the same money manage to keep their family nourished and away from the elements"*?

*I write this wearing a motorbike jacket inside a house that has central heating - using some heating for a family makes sense, but not to the level that you're walking around in shorts and a t-shirt with snow outside, as some do.

[Rogerborg]