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Parson
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: New Road Tax Laws Reply with quote

Anyone bought a bike privately since they came in?

I know the previous owner has to cancel his before you can arrange yours, and you need to arrange yours before taking the bike on the road.

How does it all work then. Are you best taking a ipad to access the internet, does the phone line work OK?
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PostPosted: 07:40 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought another bike last week. Once I'd paid the great rip off Insurance admin fee over the phone for changing bikes, I waited till I got home and done it online. I know that the person I bought mine from was both taxed and insured so couldn't comment to one that was sorn'd and not showing as been insured.

Come to think of it does the Government site to tax the vehicle still check for car insurance?
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Re: New Road Tax Laws Reply with quote

Parson wrote:
I know the previous owner has to cancel his before you can arrange yours

Nope. Do it with the reference on the new keeper supplement. There's no eventual overlap, since your VED will run from the 1st of the current month but the old keeper only gets a refund from the 1st of next month.

SOURCE: did it last night with a car, online with the new keeper doc reference, no hassle.


Parson wrote:
and you need to arrange yours before taking the bike on the road.

Well, strictly speaking. In practice it'll still show as taxed until the change of keeper reaches the DVLA, or they SORN it.

However, clued up owners will cancel their insurance as soon as the vehicle is sold. And to avoid hassles with continuous insurance laws, they'll then immediately SORN it as well. The SORN will be cancelled by the new keeper buying VED.

Granted, clued up owners will be few and far between, but you might as well buy VED straight away.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really clued up owners will suspend their insurance and then apply it to their next vehicle, so that they don't compromise their NCD or fall foul of MIB insurance rules should the vehicle they sold be involved in an uninsured loss event.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cancel, suspend, transfer, either way if you get to the end of the road with the previous keeper's policy still in place, they're a mug.

Sadly, AskMID still shows my old vehicle as insured (policy transferred off it yesterday) and https://www.gov.uk/get-vehicle-information-from-dvla shows the previous VED expiry date on my new one, even though I VEDed it immediately.

Probably waiting on the wee man who knows how to work the punch-card machine on Monday.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work away for months at a time, I've been trying to tax and sorn on and off as needed (monthly DDs) so that I only have to pay tax when I used it, so far I've sorned a week before the payment was due and they still took it :S.

Anyone had any luck doing this?
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sparkss wrote:
I work away for months at a time, I've been trying to tax and sorn on and off as needed (monthly DDs) so that I only have to pay tax when I used it, so far I've sorned a week before the payment was due and they still took it :S.

Anyone had any luck doing this?


Man, that's what I call tight.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better in our pockets than those tunnel gnomes in Swansea.

Bear in mind that bought VED runs from the 1st of the instant month, but sold VED is only refunded from the 1st of next month.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Sparkss wrote:
I work away for months at a time, I've been trying to tax and sorn on and off as needed (monthly DDs) so that I only have to pay tax when I used it, so far I've sorned a week before the payment was due and they still took it :S.

Anyone had any luck doing this?


Man, that's what I call tight.


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PostPosted: 07:23 - 21 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sparkss wrote:
I work away for months at a time, I've been trying to tax and sorn on and off as needed (monthly DDs) so that I only have to pay tax when I used it, so far I've sorned a week before the payment was due and they still took it :S.

Anyone had any luck doing this?


A point to note is that many DD are requested upto 10 days prior to the funds being taken from your bank.

For the sake of a few £ is it worth it.....
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 21 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
For the sake of a few £ is it worth it.....

I'd chase up the DVLA over tuppence-ha'penny. After all, it's important that the really important rules are followed to the letter, right?
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 21 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
iooi wrote:
For the sake of a few £ is it worth it.....

I'd chase up the DVLA over tuppence-ha'penny. After all, it's important that the really important rules are followed to the letter, right?


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It's just the whole sorn, re licence etc.
Might as well leave it taxed. Karma
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