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Silver_Fox
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Driving other vehicles from insurance policy Reply with quote

Does the TPO driving other vehicles clause from your car insurance allow you to ride bikes too? Ie test rides for 2nd hand bikes, or do you need to have a specific bike policy with a similar clause?

If you're buying your first bike you won't yet have insurance and you don't want to buy anything without a test ride Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your policy say other cars or other vehicles

Cars thn no vehicles then maybe
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Driving other vehicles from insurance policy Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
Does the TPO driving other vehicles clause from your car insurance allow you to ride bikes too? Ie test rides for 2nd hand bikes, or do you need to have a specific bike policy with a similar clause?

If you're buying your first bike you won't yet have insurance and you don't want to buy anything without a test ride Shocked


You'll have to read the small print of your policy. Mine (admiral) says

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The Policyholder may also drive with the consent of the owner
a private motor car not belonging to him/her and not hired to
him/her under a Hire Purchase Agreement, within our territorial
limits, providing there is a valid insurance policy in force for that
car.
All drivers must also be driving in accordance with the terms of
a valid licence and must not be disqualified from driving.

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PostPosted: 10:27 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good shout. How wonderful the internet is now rather than rifling through paperwork at home. Cars only then. Thanks

So how do people test ride bikes? Specific insurance, or most take the illegal risk? Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
Good shout. How wonderful the internet is now rather than rifling through paperwork at home. Cars only then. Thanks

So how do people test ride bikes? Specific insurance, or most take the illegal risk? Shocked


Most dealers will allow you to test ride bikes on their insurance, subject to an eyewatering excess, that you'll sign to agree to
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking private sales/classifieds etc. I don't want anything shiny/expensive as a first bike
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privately, most bikes you view will be insured by the current owner. Chances of being pulled = statistically insignificant.

Some sellers will let you take it out as long as you give them the cash in hand whilst riding it. That way if you bin it, it's on you. Some will say you need to be insured on a bike and have "riding other bikes". But you're TPO anyway, so if you bin it trying to do a wheelie round a corner, they're out a bike anyway.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tricky, ain't it?

It's an offence to let an uninsured rider use your bike, and there's no "knowingly" in there. It's an absolute offence, although "...but he saided..." may work in mitigation.

Not that it's stopped me throwing keys to folk in the past, but smarter sellers than me would tell you to GTFO.

If you're feeling sly, it's not rocket surgery to create and print any "certificate of insurance" saying anything that you like. Sellers aren't going to do a forensic analysis on it. Technically you're exposing them to risk, but it's a tiny, theoretical one.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

took a mate to buy a bike before I had my license

He phoned up the insurance before hand having got the reg number from the guy selling and insured it in advance with riding other bikes on the policy

Test rode and bought the bike - if he'd not bought it we'd have gone to the next bike and so on or cancelled the insurance again within the 14 days
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:
Privately, most bikes you view will be insured by the current owner. Chances of being pulled = statistically insignificant.

Some sellers will let you take it out as long as you give them the cash in hand whilst riding it. That way if you bin it, it's on you. Some will say you need to be insured on a bike and have "riding other bikes". But you're TPO anyway, so if you bin it trying to do a wheelie round a corner, they're out a bike anyway.


And if you let somebody out on a bike who has no insurance, and they get pulled or hit something else. The owner who let them use it, is going to end up with a ban also.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
Albigularis wrote:
Privately, most bikes you view will be insured by the current owner. Chances of being pulled = statistically insignificant.

Some sellers will let you take it out as long as you give them the cash in hand whilst riding it. That way if you bin it, it's on you. Some will say you need to be insured on a bike and have "riding other bikes". But you're TPO anyway, so if you bin it trying to do a wheelie round a corner, they're out a bike anyway.


And if you let somebody out on a bike who has no insurance, and they get pulled or hit something else. The owner who let them use it, is going to end up with a ban also.


All true. But if the person on the bike was not at fault and the driver/witnesses didn't dispute it and you were claiming from their insurance, the chances are you could put Mr Blobby on the bike and nobody would be any the wiser.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

for dealerships, at least from my experience, you cover their excess. Last one i did was £800 on my card to take her out for the day. Cant actually remember them asking to see my licence but it was several years ago.

Best to just ring them and ask.

For private sales, i've had some people who have literally just let me jump on the bike and go ride for 5 mins, obviously either leaving them my bike or the wife Smile
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

rubyhorse2 wrote:
obviously either leaving them my bike or the wife Smile


Well if you let them have a go on the wife, of course they're going to let you take the bike out.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 26 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never test ridden a bike I was buying

Sat on them all but never ridden one

And private sales let the owner ride it first

You can hear engine rattles ect away from the bike better then being on it imo

Only ever let one person test a bike I sold and it was his dad who went on it leaving the 17 year old lad with me (it was a 125)
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