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PostPosted: 22:20 - 27 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sleep easy Borg, our homeland is safe, "we have rough men who stand guard in the night" misquote

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PostPosted: 22:45 - 27 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I'd rather be in Istanbul than Bradford. Less inbreeding for one thing.


I was in Bradford today and I didn't see any of that.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 27 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
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I'd rather be in Istanbul than Bradford. Less inbreeding for one thing.

I was in Bradford today and I didn't see any of that.

They don't do it on the street. Yet.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 27 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Spose not. Mind you that article could be right. The mini-cab driver who took me from the station to collect my bike was very peculiar-looking.

Maybe a beheading could have done him a favour, in that respect.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 27 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So was the one who took me to my mates wedding there recently.
Plus he and his nasty ass Proton stank of fags too.
What are the odds of that? 2 cab drivers, both asian, same city. Cool
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 27 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny, but not hilarious funny in the flesh.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 28 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

<keeping things in perspective>One delusional guy with a gun goes on a shooting spree and kills some people - Just like another guy did in America last week. Stop the presses; the whole worlds suddenly in danger Shocked.</keeping things in perspective>

kawakid wrote:
It's probably advisable not to travel to Muslim countries at the moment.
Maybe. Far more than the current tally of 15 British people killed yesterday are killed in Britain by British people with guns every year though - maybe we shouldn't leave our houses either Thinking.

Visiting somewhere that almost neighbours some of the most war-torn countries in the world which are flooded with weapons that are easily transported over the boarders into your holiday destination might not be particularly wise - but having said that, you're probably far more likely to die getting transport to and from the airport in Tunisia than you are in a 'terrorist' attack.
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I'm bored of all this terrorism lark now....
Just about sums it up - are we really all still falling for this nonsense day after day. WMD's. Al Qaeda. And now ISIS, who actually aren't even much of a formidable force - the only reason they're rampaging around is none of the surrounding countries that haven't already been dismantled and tampered with by the west can be bothered to intervene properly - And why would they when everyone in the west gets in such a paranoid frenzy we're happy to send our military and taxes over there to 'deal' with it.
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 28 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no Matt.

What we need is a new crusade. God told me so last night. He said to lead the forces of Christianity in an overwhelming assault on the infidel and rid the world of this stain on civilisation.

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PostPosted: 01:03 - 28 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Oh no Matt.

What we need is a new crusade. God told me so last night. He said to lead the forces of Christianity in an overwhelming assault on the infidel and rid the world of this stain on civilisation.

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Those bloody religious, extremist, terrorists eh; can't stop em Sad
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-with-isis-islamic-militants-have-army-of-200000-claims-kurdish-leader-9863418.html

Some loser wrote:
I am talking about hundreds of thousands of fighters because they are able to mobilise Arab young men in the territory they have taken.

A bit like zombies? Need moar headshots.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
mpd72 wrote:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-with-isis-islamic-militants-have-army-of-200000-claims-kurdish-leader-9863418.html

Some loser wrote:
I am talking about hundreds of thousands of fighters because they are able to mobilise Arab young men in the territory they have taken.

A bit like zombies? Need moar headshots.


Expendable cannon fodder. All armies at war need them, it keeps the well trained, valuable soldiers alive longer.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The figures of an ISIS army (military force) of 200,000, and Western estimates of 31,500 fighters are possibly not off the mark and are possibly relative.

It depends on the interpretation of army and fighters and their relationships.

Statistical information will vary depending on many operational and tactical parameters, but, as a broad guide:

An army may have approx 36% logistics, 24% HQ/Admin.
Then there is the ratio of support troops to front line combatants, anything between 4 & 7:1 being postulated in the article below.

Depending on the analysis data used, the figure of 31,500 fighters (if deemed front line combatants) could be a realistic assessment, given that the fighters will undoubtedly require logistics and admin support etc. (Donkeys and mules excluded)

If indeed there are 31,500 fighters, then a formidable foe\force.

https://en.allexperts.com/q/Military-Policy-Weapons-346/2009/9/Support-Troop-Combat-Troop.htm
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's all well and good, but if I'm bitten by a Muslim, how long do I have before I turn?
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
That's all well and good, but if I'm bitten by a Muslim, how long do I have before I turn?


Depends how soon you come up against a joker or a clown and which scares you more!
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
I think they're more of a force than some realise...
Even taking the higher end estimates of 200,000 and ignoring the points delsol made that a large proportion of those aren't actually 'fighters' (let alone equipped or trained to fight effectively as a full force) - 200,000 'soldiers', with no air support and a relatively small amount of heavy armour and other vehicles is not in anyway a formidable force in the region. They have no reliable supply lines for new vehicles either; they're simply nicking what they can along the way. The only reason they're a 'formidable' force in Iraq and have had any success is theres very little left of what once was a functional (albeit not particularly human-rights friendly) Iraq; its military included.

If you think they're a formidable force in terms of taking over more of the Middle East - have a look at two of the neighbours to their new 'caliphate' who they will need to expand through.

Iran - with over 2.5 million active/reserve military personal, billions of dollars in military budget, thousands of armoured vehicles and hundreds of jets.

Saudi - one of the richest countries in the world with an equally well equipped military.

Not to mention both Iran and Saudi have the capability and finances to dramatically increase their reserve forces with properly trained and equipped people and an easily accessible supply to global arms suppliers.

Do you think 200,000 'fighters' pose any realistic threat to them Thinking? Small Iranian milita's alone have made advances against ISIS recently, without the need for any proper military intervention . The only reason ISIS is having such 'success' in some areas is theres simply no military left to defend, or the locals have been so terrified by all the propaganda being published in the media that they've put up no resistence/fled.

As for 'fighting on many fronts', their 'tactics' so far have simply been to rush into poorly defended cities, terrorise the locals, make a bee line across the desert for the next place and continue on. They aren't properly fortifying or securing supply lines along the way in many cases, hence they've been knocked back from various places they've captured already. Most of their 'territory' in Iraq isn't even inhabitated.

Dangerous to be around and rather unpleasent people they might be; formidable fighting force they are not Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
logical discourse


Yeah but, you can't deny they're brown and scary!!!!!
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

An army you can't see is an army to take seriously - how many more of these 'not previously known to security services' attackers are out there .....

Of course if the West hadn't been busy selling guns to just about anyone it could .... which of course is how it knows just how big the problem is.

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PostPosted: 14:52 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

UncleBFester wrote:
An army you can't see is an army to take seriously - how many more of these 'not previously known to security services' attackers are out there .....
How many have their been so far though? How many have they killed across the whole of the west so far for that matter?

Barely any it would seem - In fact almost none at all if you exclude a few delusional individuals who have carried out extremely small scale amateur attacks. The west has lost more citizens sending them abroad to invade other countries which was allegedly supposed to stop terrorism and people dying at home, than we have lost to terrorism in the first place Shocked.

There is no evidence of any significant 'unseen army', 'fifth column' or whatever else this weeks headline grabbing name for these mysterious people that never seem to materialise into anything of substance is. But of course that doesn't stop the press from printing their usual hysteria-inducing nonsense which is plastered across papers every day. It seems as long as they change the name of the bad guys that are apparently on the brink of destroying us every few years people lap it up all over again.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The flipside to that is the people who have lost friends / family / relatives to one of these 'lone' gunmen types ( men and women ) .... tell them it isn't really a big problem.

My point is, there is little to stop some nutjob from strolling up some place busy, pulling out some automatic weapon and subsquently blowing 50+ people away. Doesn't matter if it's the beach or a busy shopping day at BlueWater.

However I do agree the numbers they have amassed is less relevant than dealing with how they are recruited, the world needs to get itself 'unfucked' quicksmart so that people aren't drawn to this madness in the first place.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

UncleBFester wrote:
The flipside to that is the people who have lost friends / family / relatives to one of these 'lone' gunmen types ( men and women ) .... tell them it isn't really a big problem.
Oh absolutely; i'm not saying it doesn't matter, but from a total population perspective there seems no reason to fear 'terrorism' anymore than there is to be afraid of than crossing the road.
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My point is, there is little to stop some nutjob from strolling up some place busy, pulling out some automatic weapon and subsquently blowing 50+ people away. Doesn't matter if it's the beach or a busy shopping day at BlueWater.
In some countries, in some regions of the world theres certainly less to stop them - although even in the majority of the middle east its not happening frequently.

And in the west - after being constantly told for 14 years since 9/11 we're under threat of imminent attack at home - it seems there is indeed something stopping them, or there isn't many of them to stop in the first place, considering the small number and severity of attacks happening. For some reason everyones still absolutely petrified though.
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrorists: exactly as deadly as hornets, bees and wasps.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think alot of the plots get stopped before you hear about it. Wouldn’t be surprised that the details never get released as the intelligence is either too sensitive, or illegal.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

It's not too late to sign up for the winning team.


Indeed.

It's signing out of it again that they take exception to.

Most specifically in Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. Where they'll variously hang, behead or stone you to death for it. Women may be excused beheading in favour of solitary confinement with beatings every three days until they change their mind.
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