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 Posted: 11:25 - 06 Oct 2015 Post subject: The new russian state, Syriastan |
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150k troops mobilised, spetsnaz on the ground, bombing everyone and the majority supporting Putin...
Has everyone forgot he is ex KGB?
I wonder how long it will be untill there is some "firendly" fire with either nato bombs on spetsnaz or russian on nato SF. ____________________ Daytona 675R Road - 5EB R6 Track sold
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What is the alternative? Syria and Iraq barely exist as separate nation states anymore. Their border with each other is virtually non-existent. And what solutions has the West come up with? To supply a bunch of weak Islamist militias who's armoury is open to pilfering by IS anyway?
I am beginning to suspect that Putin's solution may be the best of a bad bunch. As much as we may dislike the current regime, perhaps a strong Syria under Assad may be the best that could be achieved in the circumstances as they exist at the moment? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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They're welcome to it. Don't think of it as an expansion of the Russian empire, but as their Vietnam. Or more appropriately, Afghanistan.
And look on the bright side. If it does turn into an unambiguously foreign invasion and occupation, the various tribes and Mahometan sub-cultists might stop displacing the hell out of each other and dig in to resist the infidel.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | They're welcome to it. Don't think of it as an expansion of the Russian empire, but as their Vietnam. Or more appropriately, Afghanistan.
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Or maybe their Iraq?  ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I agree too. The west don't have a clue how to fight over there. Iraq is worse now than with Sadaam. Afghanistan is almost back to Taliban control and we kow tow to one of the worst counties in the world for brutality, Saudi Arabia.
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Thinking out loud, I wonder even if this would be a good opportunity to strengthen our ties with Russia, even actively support their policy in Syria? It's always easier to influence friends than it is enemies.
Why be involved at all, you may ask? Well, if Assad is in a firm position and eradicates opposition to his regime, there's still IS to think about. They're a distant problem that we can ignore, you say? Really? i don't think they're a problem that will go away quite so easily. But they would be easier to deal with if we could be truly unified with the Russian policy. IS requires weak/divided nation states to gain ground effectively. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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| Polarbear wrote: | we kow tow to one of the worst counties in the world for brutality, Saudi Arabia.
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Frankly, what the Saudis do in their own country as far as brutality to their own goes, doesn't bother me so much. Well, this may come back to bite them on the arse anyway in due course. Seems to be a pretty strong movement of radical opposition there among the religious leaders, and was the spiritual home of Al Qaeda - another potential failed state in the future perhaps.
A bigger concern in the present moment is the way the Saudi regime is stirring up the worldwide jihad movement. Wahhabism it seems is at the root of much of the current trouble with all of this, and Saudi is it's major exporter. Jeez, talk about a paradox! ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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My point was we are bleating about Assad yet turn a blind eye to Saudi because they are our allies and have the oil. |
But then we are back to the problem of how not to be reliant on Saudi oil. Answers on a postcard...
| von1papen wrote: | And the Chinese are sending military advisers, currently on board an aircraft carrier as well...... |
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Just take a look at recent spetsnaz or Russian operations. Beslan school, Moscow theatre, Chechnya even Ukraine.
Iraq and Afghan are both shitholes already because troops were forced to withdraw to early, because of pressure from the same people now complaining its fucked.
Figures i saw put 5 million siding with the "moderate Islam" rebels, who just want Assad gone, and not a Islamic Empire. What will happen to all of them if they lose?
Trusting someone whose day job was to lie, deceive and murder seems quite daft to me. ____________________ Daytona 675R Road - 5EB R6 Track sold
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Invade and take it over before Russia and China carve up the Middle East between themselves anyway? |
You want to invade another Middle Eastern country?!
| staffy50 wrote: | Just take a look at recent spetsnaz or Russian operations. Beslan school, Moscow theatre, Chechnya even Ukraine.
Iraq and Afghan are both shitholes already because troops were forced to withdraw to early, because of pressure from the same people now complaining its fucked.
Figures i saw put 5 million siding with the "moderate Islam" rebels, who just want Assad gone, and not a Islamic Empire. What will happen to all of them if they lose?
Trusting someone whose day job was to lie, deceive and murder seems quite daft to me. |
The problem you have is, as I said earlier, what's the alternative? It's easy to sit back and criticise everyone, or dream up pie-in-the-sky solutions that take no account of the situation on the ground. But things are a bit more serious than that, and need real-world, realistic solutions. Maybe what we do now can be modified at a later date when things have settled down a bit, but this is all getting rather urgent.
I think we could do worse than ally ourselves with Putin on this. I don't think resisting his policy there is going to do anyone much good. Putin may be a bit of a hangover from the Cold War, but I don't think he needs to be considered as a repeat of the Soviet system, if he isn't pushed in that direction by others.
Besides, on the subject of withdrawing too early, once we invaded Iraq and took down Saddam, I'm not sure any time would have been the right time to leave. The Iraqi army that we left in place, and police force, which numbered nigh on a million strong in total, fled before what, 6000 IS fighters? The solution there would have been to replace Saddam with...... errrr....another Saddam  ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | this is all getting rather urgent. |
I can suggest a solution that deals with the problem instantly and at no cost:
Switch off your television set, go out and do something less boring instead. |
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| Polarbear wrote: | The west don't have a clue how to fight over there. |
They do.https://secretofthevine.com/images/mushroom-cloud.gif
See? Our IEDs are way better. That's because we have scientists making our guns 'n bullets.
Not inbred, uneducated goat shaggers.
And before Vincent and his ilk start with the 'what about the women and children' party line...
I feel considerably differently about that element, the women are a bigger threat than the men because
breeders. So blasting them directly to Allah, not passing GO TO EUROPE and therefore not collecting
a benefit cheque for 17 Junior Muhhumids also makes them a legitimate target too as far as I'm
concerned, there's more than one way to destroy a country and the Muslims are playing the 5 card trick, They:-.
1. Over breed with a religious agenda and zeal..
2. Always take more than give except to their own.
3. 1000's of Suicidal martyrs and fighters among them.
4. They are purveyors of that fineGovernment approved racism. (death to the west etc)
5. They make no demonstrable effort to integrate, just assimilate and colonise.
Still, getting very very hot very very quickly is probably preferable and considerably less painful then
being married to a Muslim. With a very high chance of the same final outcome if she steps out of line.
So we'd probably be doing them a favour, at least it would be quick. Better than years of misogyny and abuse.
As for the kids? Collateral damage at worst, they are being raised to hate us any way (oh yes and especially
the Jews) , so if allowed to live they become problems stored for the future.
Trouble is, the oil and infrastructure pumping it out of that shithole (which is the only thing stopping the West
I reckon) would be a worthless prize as it would to all intents and purposes, become unobtanium due
to radioactive contamination. However, if we get the hang of efficient and affordable hydrogen propulsion
they and their oil become as outdated as their religion and it'll be
BOOM before bedtime. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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| stinkwheel wrote: | I wonder how many AIM 120s have now been delivered to Turkey? |
The way Turkey is behaving, before they know it, IS will have a major presence there too. One step closer to central Europe. Where then? Chechnya? You can see where this is going if everyone just sits back and says "not our problem." ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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